Form 8863 for Lifetime Learning Credit - Getting Zero Credit Amount After Following Instructions

I'm literally losing my mind over this tax form! I've been working on filling out Form 8863 for the Lifetime Learning Credit, and after following every single instruction step by step, I keep ending up with a big fat ZERO on line 19 for the education credit amount. Here's my issue - since I'm only applying for the Lifetime Learning Credit (not the American Opportunity Credit), I've put zero on Line 1. I'm following the instructions that say not to fill out lines 27-30 if you're only going for the Lifetime Learning credit. That's the right approach, right? I'm worried that if I did fill those lines out, maybe that would change my final number? The real problem happens when I get to the Credit Limit worksheet. I end up with a 0 on line 2 of the worksheet, which basically wipes out everything else and leaves me with no credit at all. Oh and I just realized I made a dumb mistake - I didn't look up my tax in the tax table first when working on my 1040, so that's probably why I was getting zeros in the worksheet. But even after fixing that, I'm still confused about whether I'm doing the form correctly. Can someone please help me before I throw all my tax papers out the window??

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18 comments

Jade O'Malley

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The Lifetime Learning Credit can be tricky, but I think I see what's happening here. You're right that if you're only claiming the Lifetime Learning Credit (LLC), you should leave lines 27-30 blank since those are for the American Opportunity Credit. The Credit Limit worksheet is where most people get stuck. If you're getting a zero on line 2 of that worksheet, it suggests your tax liability might be zero or very low. Remember, the Lifetime Learning Credit is non-refundable, which means it can only reduce your tax liability to zero, but can't generate a refund beyond that. Double-check these things: 1. Make sure you've correctly calculated your qualified education expenses on the LLC portion (Part III of Form 8863) 2. Verify you've properly entered your tax amount from your 1040 (line 18) into the Credit Limit Worksheet 3. Check if you have other non-refundable credits that might be using up your tax liability The fact that you mentioned not looking up your tax in the tax table first is important. That would definitely cause problems because the worksheet needs your actual tax amount to calculate how much credit you can use.

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Jade O'Malley

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If your tax liability is $0 after deductions, then unfortunately you won't benefit from the Lifetime Learning Credit this year since it's non-refundable. The credit can only reduce your tax liability, not generate a refund when your liability is already zero. For your online master's program expenses, you might want to look into other education benefits like the Tuition and Fees Deduction (if that's been extended) or save some qualified expenses for next year's taxes if you expect to have tax liability then. Some people also check if they qualify for the American Opportunity Credit instead, which is partially refundable, but that has different eligibility requirements and is typically for undergraduate education.

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Madeline Blaze

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Hey everyone, I'm a tax preparer (not a CPA) and I see this Form 8863 issue all the time. Another thing to check is if you received any scholarships or grants. Those reduce your qualified education expenses for the Lifetime Learning Credit calculation. For example, if you paid $5000 in tuition but received a $4000 scholarship, you can only use $1000 as your qualified education expense. That might be why you're ending up with zero, especially if your education expenses weren't that high after considering scholarships. Also, make sure you're eligible for the credit based on your income. The Lifetime Learning Credit phases out at higher income levels (starts phasing out at $80,000 for single filers and $160,000 for joint filers for 2024 returns).

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Madeline Blaze

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That's exactly right! You would only be able to claim $1,500 as your qualified education expenses in that scenario. And remember, the Lifetime Learning Credit is calculated as 20% of your qualified expenses, so your potential credit would be $300 ($1,500 × 20%). Then, that potential credit amount gets compared to your remaining tax liability on the Credit Limit Worksheet. If your remaining tax liability is less than $300 (or zero), that's why you'd end up with zero or a reduced credit amount on line 19 of Form 8863.

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