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Giovanni Colombo

Can I Claim the Lifetime Learning Credit for Undergrad? Confused About Credit Limit Worksheet

I think I'm completely misreading the Lifetime Learning Credit instructions. On my Form 8863 for Education Credits, I'm filling out the credit limit worksheet for the Lifetime Learning Credit (non-refundable). I already used up my American Opportunity Credit during my first degree, and now I'm trying to claim the LLC while finishing a second undergraduate program. The problem is on the worksheet - my line 3 shows $1,075, but line 6 is showing $0. Line 7 says to enter the smaller of line 3 or line 6 on the worksheet and then transfer that to line 19 of Form 8863, which then gets carried to line 3 of Schedule 3. When I follow the IRS worksheet exactly, it looks like I don't get any credit. But when I plug the exact same numbers into TurboTax, it's giving me a credit! I'm so confused about how TurboTax is calculating this differently than what the IRS worksheet seems to indicate. Am I missing something obvious here with how the Credit Limit Worksheet works?

The Credit Limit Worksheet for the Lifetime Learning Credit can definitely be confusing! The issue likely has to do with your tax liability. The Lifetime Learning Credit is non-refundable, which means it can only reduce your tax liability to zero but can't generate a refund beyond that. If line 6 on your worksheet shows $0, that suggests your tax liability (after certain other credits) is already at $0. Since you can only claim the smaller of line 3 ($1,075) or line 6 ($0), you'd get $0 for the credit using the worksheet. TurboTax might be calculating differently because it's looking at your complete tax situation. It's possible that when TurboTax processes all your information together (rather than step by step like the worksheet), it's determining you do have some tax liability that can be offset by the Lifetime Learning Credit.

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Thanks for the explanation! But I'm confused because I definitely have tax liability - I owe about $2,400 according to both my calculations and TurboTax. Could it be that I'm filling out something wrong in the earlier parts of the form that's making line 6 zero?

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If you definitely have tax liability of about $2,400, then something is likely incorrect in how you're completing the earlier parts of the worksheet. Line 6 represents your remaining tax liability that can be offset by the Lifetime Learning Credit after accounting for certain other credits. Check if you're correctly transferring your tax liability from Form 1040. Also verify you're properly accounting for any other non-refundable credits you're claiming before the Lifetime Learning Credit. The IRS has a specific order in which credits must be applied, and this can affect your remaining liability available for the LLC.

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I'm skeptical about these online tools. How does it handle the income phaseout rules for education credits? That's what tripped me up when I was claiming the Lifetime Learning Credit.

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QuantumQuasar

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Has anyone noticed that TurboTax and other tax software sometimes handle the education credit phaseouts differently than the paper forms? I think that might explain why you're seeing different results. When I was in a similar situation last year with partial Lifetime Learning Credit eligibility, I found that line 6 on the worksheet wasn't matching what TurboTax calculated. It turned out that the software was applying the phaseout calculation at a different point in the process.

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Zainab Omar

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That makes sense! I noticed something similar with H&R Block software. Do you think it's safer to go with what the IRS forms calculate or what the tax software says?

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QuantumQuasar

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In my experience, I've found that tax software like TurboTax is generally correct because it's applying all the rules comprehensively. The paper worksheets sometimes require you to go back and forth between multiple forms in a specific order, which is easy to mess up when doing it manually. If there's a significant difference though, I'd recommend double-checking your entries in the software to make sure everything is correct. Tax software can only be as accurate as the information you provide. Most major tax software is regularly updated to comply with current tax laws, so it's usually reliable if you've entered everything correctly.

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One thing nobody has mentioned yet is that the Lifetime Learning Credit has different qualified expense rules compared to the American Opportunity Credit. With the LLC, you can claim expenses for courses to acquire or improve job skills, not just degree programs. Did you include all eligible expenses? For 2025, you can claim 20% of up to $10,000 in qualified expenses (maximum $2,000 credit).

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That's actually really helpful! I did include my tuition costs, but I wasn't sure about some of my required course materials. Do textbooks count for the Lifetime Learning Credit? I thought those were only eligible for the American Opportunity Credit.

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