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Have you considered the Credit for Other Dependents? It's different from the Child Tax Credit and specifically designed for dependents who don't qualify for the CTC, including those without SSNs. It's worth $500 per qualifying dependent. Your children would still need ITINs, but this credit was created specifically for taxpayers in situations like yours. You'll need to file Form 8862 along with your return to claim it.
Is the Credit for Other Dependents the same as the Foreign Dependent Credit mentioned earlier? Or are these two different credits I could potentially claim? And would my children still need to meet the residency test to qualify for this credit?
The Credit for Other Dependents is the official name of what some people call the Foreign Dependent Credit. They're the same thing - a $500 credit for dependents who don't qualify for the full Child Tax Credit. This is exactly what was created for situations like yours. No, your children don't need to meet the US residency test for this credit, which is why it works for dependents living abroad. They still need to qualify as your dependents under tax law, meaning you provide more than half their support. You'll claim this on your Form 1040 in the same section where the Child Tax Credit would be, but you'll indicate they qualify for this $500 credit instead.
My tax preparer told me that if your kids visit you in the US for at least 31 days during the year, you might be able to claim them for the full Child Tax Credit. Has anyone tried this approach?
I see lots of people mentioning Form 8606, but nobody has clearly explained WHAT to enter on it. Here's exactly what you need to do: On Form 8606: - Part I is where you report your nondeductible contribution to the Traditional IRA - Line 1 would be your $6000 contribution - Lines 2-3 about basis would be zero if this is your first time - Complete the calculation through line 14 - Part II is for the conversion to Roth IRA - Line 16 would be your total distribution ($6002.15) - The calculations will show that only the $2.15 in earnings is taxable You should end up with line 18 showing just the small amount of earnings as taxable, NOT your entire contribution. This matches your 1099-R but tells the IRS that most of it was already taxed money.
This is SUPER helpful, thank you! I've been trying to find these specific steps. One more question - do I also report the $6000 contribution somewhere else, or is Form 8606 the only place I need to show it?
Form 8606 is the primary place to report the nondeductible Traditional IRA contribution. You don't claim a deduction for it elsewhere on your return. In TurboTax, you should still go through the IRA contribution section to indicate you made a Traditional IRA contribution, but when asked if you want to deduct it, select "No" (since you're over the income limit for deducting IRA contributions). This should then guide you to Form 8606.
Happened to me last year too! Just want to clarify something - the small earnings between contribution and conversion ($2.15 in your case) ARE actually taxable. You have to pay tax on that tiny bit of growth. But the original $6000 contribution is NOT taxable again as long as you document it properly with Form 8606. If you don't file Form 8606, the IRS has no way to know that you already paid tax on that money, which is why TurboTax is calculating additional tax on the full amount. The form establishes your "basis" (already-taxed amount) in the Traditional IRA.
This is why the backdoor Roth is so annoying! All this paperwork for a simple retirement contribution. Makes me wonder if it's even worth it. I make around the same as OP and I've just been investing in a taxable brokerage instead to avoid all these hoops.
Another tax benefit angle to consider for your investor clients - if they have properties that have been sitting on the market for a while before staging, make sure they know they can potentially deduct carrying costs during that period (mortgage interest, property taxes, utilities, etc.) as ordinary expenses rather than adding them to basis. Adding professional staging services often shortens time on market, which can actually increase their effective ROI by reducing these carrying costs. My tax advisor pointed this out last year, and when I did the math, I realized that staging actually "paid for itself" in tax benefits from reduced carrying costs, even before considering the higher sale price. Make sure your clients are tracking these time periods carefully!
This is interesting - does this apply even if the property is unoccupied during renovation? I have a couple properties that sit empty for 2-3 months during renovations before I stage them and list them. Can I deduct those carrying costs as ordinary expenses too?
Yes, it absolutely applies during renovation periods too! The key distinction is whether the property is "held for sale" or "held for production of income" during that time. During active renovation periods for a flip property, the property is considered to be in preparation for sale, so those carrying costs (mortgage interest, property taxes, utilities, insurance, etc.) can generally be deducted as ordinary expenses rather than being capitalized into the basis. This is especially true if you're considered a "dealer" for tax purposes rather than just an investor.
Something nobody's mentioned yet is the timing of when you stage the property can affect the tax treatment. If staging is done as part of the initial renovation/prep work, some tax pros will advise capitalizing it as part of your basis. But if it's done after the property is otherwise ready for sale, it's more clearly a selling expense. I actually changed my business practice based on this - I now complete ALL renovation work first, take dated photos of the completed unstaged property, THEN bring in staging as a separate distinct marketing phase. This creates a clearer paper trail showing staging as a selling expense rather than a capital improvement.
That's a really smart approach! Do you have any issues with the IRS questioning this distinction? I'm worried about having my staging expenses disallowed if audited.
I've been doing this for 6 years now and haven't had any issues with the IRS. The key is documentation and consistency. I keep a clear project timeline for each property that shows when renovation was completed and when staging began. I also make sure my staging invoices are separate from any contractor or renovation invoices, with clear dates. It's also important to have a consistent business practice. I don't try to treat similar expenses differently on different properties. I've developed a written business policy that explains my approach to staging as a marketing expense, which would help demonstrate my intent if ever questioned during an audit.
Have you considered making an extra payment to your student loans if you have any? Interest on student loans is deductible up to $2,500 depending on your income, though with your household income you might be phased out of this deduction. Also, if either of you is self-employed or has any 1099 income, you could make business purchases you were planning for early 2024. New computer, office equipment, professional subscriptions, etc.
We don't have any student loans left fortunately, but my wife does have some consulting income on top of her regular job. That's a great idea about accelerating some business purchases - she was planning to upgrade her home office setup in January anyway. Is there a minimum amount of 1099 income needed to make this worthwhile?
There's no minimum threshold for 1099 income to take business deductions. As long as your wife's consulting work is a legitimate business activity (not just a hobby), she can deduct ordinary and necessary business expenses against that income. Since she was already planning the office upgrade, accelerating it into 2023 makes perfect sense. Just make sure the purchases are actually made and put into service before December 31st - ordering isn't enough, you need to receive and start using the items this year. Keep excellent records of the purchases and how they relate to her consulting work.
Has anyone mentioned charitable donations yet? With your income level, this could be a significant tax saver. If you normally give to charity, consider bunching multiple years of donations into 2023. You could also look into a donor-advised fund - you get the full tax deduction this year but can distribute the money to charities over future years.
Mason Lopez
One thing nobody's mentioned - check if your state has additional LLC filing requirements beyond federal taxes! I use TurboTax on my Mac for my consulting LLC and it handles the federal stuff great, but my state (California) has an annual $800 LLC fee that TurboTax doesn't automatically prompt you about. Had to file that separately and nearly missed it my first year. Also, if you're making $58k, definitely look into setting up a SEP IRA or Solo 401k to reduce your tax burden. TurboTax can handle these but doesn't always make it obvious that it's an option.
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Pedro Sawyer
ā¢That's a really good point about state requirements. I'm in Colorado - does anyone know if there are specific requirements here I should watch out for? And what's the difference between SEP IRA vs Solo 401k in terms of setup complexity in TurboTax?
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Mason Lopez
ā¢Colorado has an annual report requirement called a "Periodic Report" that costs $10 to file online. It's due in the anniversary month of your LLC's formation. It's not a tax form, but a filing with the Secretary of State's office to keep your LLC in good standing. TurboTax won't remind you about this. For retirement accounts, a SEP IRA is simpler to set up in TurboTax - just a few questions and you're done. A Solo 401k gives you potentially higher contribution limits, especially if you want to make both employer and employee contributions, but requires more paperwork outside of TurboTax and you'll need to file Form 5500-EZ once your balance exceeds $250,000. For your income level, a SEP IRA is probably simpler to start with.
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Vera Visnjic
Has anybody else had issues with TurboTax not saving their data between sessions on Mac? I was halfway through my LLC taxes last year and when I came back to finish, some of my business expense categories were empty! Had to re-enter everything. Wondering if it's a Mac-specific bug or just me.
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Jake Sinclair
ā¢I had a similar issue but fixed it by making sure I was completely exiting the program properly (not just closing the window). Also, make sure your Mac isn't going into any kind of deep sleep mode between sessions. I started using the save feature obsessively after losing data once - hit save after every major section.
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