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This watchdog report highlights exactly why I record EVERY interaction I have with IRS personnel. You never know who you're really dealing with or what their incentives might be. I use a call recording app (legal in my state) and keep detailed notes with agent ID numbers. Also, always request written confirmation of any guidance they give you. If an agent tells you something that later turns out to be wrong, having documentation can help you avoid penalties for relying on incorrect advice.
Is recording IRS calls legal everywhere? I'm worried about getting in trouble for that. Also, do agents actually give you their ID numbers if you ask?
Recording laws vary by state - some require two-party consent (both you and the agent) while others only require one-party consent (just you). Always check your local laws or inform the agent you're recording. IRS agents absolutely should provide their ID numbers when asked. It's typically a badge number or employee ID. I always politely say something like, "For my records, could I please have your name and ID number?" and note the date and time of the call. I've never had an agent refuse this information. If they do, that would be a red flag and worth asking to speak to a supervisor.
What's shocking to me is that this isn't the first time something like this has happened. My cousin worked at the IRS in the early 2000s and said there were multiple investigations then about employees moonlighting for tax firms. The system is broken at a fundamental level.
I've heard similar stories. The real issue is that IRS pay isn't competitive with private sector accounting jobs, so there's always temptation. Maybe if we properly funded the agency and paid people what they're worth, we wouldn't have these ethical problems.
Just my two cents: we were in almost the exact situation (wife employed, me self-employed with student loans). We did the math both ways and filing jointly saved us about $3,200 overall even tho my student loan payment went up by about $75/month. The tax credits for our kid plus better tax brackets made joint filing way better.
Thanks so much for sharing your experience! That's really helpful. Did you guys use any specific software to compare both options? I'm worried about making a mistake if I try to calculate everything manually.
We used TurboTax and just ran through the process twice - once for joint and once for separate. It was tedious but worth it. I'd definitely recommend using some kind of tax software that lets you save different scenarios. The student loan part was trickier - had to use the loan servicer's calculator separately to figure out how much payments would change under each filing status.
Something nobody mentioned yet - if you file separately, you BOTH have to either take the standard deduction or BOTH itemize. You can't have one person itemize and the other take standard. This really messed us up one year with our mortgage interest.
This is such an important point! We got hit with this last year and had to file an amendment. Cost us extra in prep fees and delayed our refund by months.
This might sound obvious, but have you tried calling your real estate agent or title company? When I sold my house last year, they were the ones who handled all the withholding. My agent had all the documentation with the state ID number and emailed it to me in like 10 minutes when I asked. Might be worth a try before going through more complicated options!
I second this! My closing agent was super helpful when I had a similar question. Sometimes the simplest solution is best.
I didn't even think of that! I just emailed my agent and she got back to me right away. You're right - she had everything on file and sent me the state withholding form with the ID number clearly printed at the top. I was definitely overthinking this whole thing. Thanks for suggesting the obvious solution that I completely missed! Just finished my taxes and everything went through perfectly.
Just be careful that you enter the state ID number in the correct format in TurboTax. Mine had dashes that needed to be included exactly as shown on the document. When I first entered it without the dashes, TurboTax gave me an error. Also make sure you're not confusing it with the transaction ID number, which is different.
I had the opposite problem! TurboTax kept rejecting my entry when I included the dashes, but accepted it when I removed them. Seems like it might vary by state.
That's so strange! Must definitely depend on the state then. I'm in Illinois - where are you located? Maybe we should specify which states have which requirements when sharing advice like this. I guess the safest approach is to try both with and without special characters if the first attempt gets rejected. TurboTax isn't always clear about the exact format they want for these state-specific entries.
One thing no one has mentioned is that capital gains DO count toward your modified adjusted gross income (MAGI), which can affect things like premium tax credits for healthcare, certain deductions that phase out at higher income levels, and even Social Security taxation. So while your capital gains won't push your ordinary income into a higher bracket, having a large capital gain in a single year can still have ripple effects on other parts of your tax situation.
Can you explain more about how this might affect Social Security? I'm planning to sell a rental property next year and I'm already receiving Social Security benefits.
For Social Security, if your combined income (your adjusted gross income + nontaxable interest + half of your Social Security benefits) exceeds certain thresholds, more of your Social Security benefits become taxable. For 2025, if you're filing single and this combined income exceeds $25,000, up to 50% of your benefits may be taxable. Above $34,000, up to 85% can be taxable. For married filing jointly, those thresholds are $32,000 and $44,000 respectively. So a large capital gain could definitely push you over these thresholds, causing more of your Social Security to be taxed.
Does anyone know if selling ONE rental property vs selling MULTIPLE would have any different tax implications? I'm considering selling either one large property or two smaller ones.
The tax rate would be the same whether you sell one property or multiple properties in the same year. However, selling multiple properties might give you more flexibility with timing - you could spread the sales across different tax years to potentially keep yourself in a lower capital gains bracket each year.
Malik Davis
Just FYI, the enhanced child tax credit for 2021 was part of the American Rescue Plan. The amount was $3,600 for kids under 6 and $3,000 for kids 6-17. Half of it was supposed to be sent as monthly payments from July-December 2021, and the other half claimed when filing taxes. If you didn't receive the monthly payments (many people opted out or had issues with the system), you should have claimed the full amount on your 2021 return. If you didn't, then filing a 1040-X amended return is definitely the way to go!
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Isabella Santos
β’Do you know if there's any way to check if you already received the payments? It's been so long I honestly can't remember if we got those monthly deposits or not.
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Malik Davis
β’Yes, you can check if you received the advance payments by creating or logging into your online account at IRS.gov. Look for the "Child Tax Credit Update Portal" or check your account for 2021 payments. You can also request a 2021 account transcript from the IRS which will show all transactions, including any advance Child Tax Credit payments that were sent to you. If you can't access the online system, you can call the IRS or file Form 4506-T to request the transcript by mail.
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Ravi Gupta
I was in the exact same situation!!! The letter you got was probably a CP-08 notice. Don't ignore it like I did at first! I ended up filing an amended return through TurboTax and it was actually pretty easy. Just log into your TurboTax account, find your 2021 return, and look for the option to amend. Make sure you have your kids' SSNs and birth dates handy. Also any documents showing they lived with you in 2021 (school records, medical records, etc) in case the IRS asks for verification later.
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GalacticGuru
β’How long did your amendment take to process? I heard the IRS is super backed up with processing amended returns.
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