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Speaking from experience here - I ran a $650k/yr S Corp for 5 years. The "reasonable" part is super context-dependent. For my tech consulting business, I settled on about $250k salary with the rest as distributions, and that was fine in an IRS audit. They looked at comparable salaries for my role/industry in my geographic area. A HUGE tip: create a corporate compensation policy document that outlines how you determined your salary. Include market research on comparable positions, document the hours you work, skills required, etc. Having this documentation ready saved me during my audit.
Did your accountant help create this compensation policy document or did you do it yourself? And do you adjust your salary annually or keep it the same year after year?
I created the basic framework myself using industry salary surveys, but my accountant reviewed it and suggested some improvements. The document included my job duties, required skills, hours worked weekly, and comparable salary ranges from multiple sources. I do adjust my salary annually, which the IRS actually views favorably. As your business grows or market rates change, your reasonable compensation should reflect that. In my case, I started at $180k and gradually increased it over several years as the business grew. The key is documenting the reason for any changes and ensuring they align with business performance and market rates.
Has anyone used a PEO (Professional Employer Organization) to help determine reasonable compensation? My business is hitting around $600k/yr and I've heard PEOs can provide market data to support your salary decisions plus handle all the payroll compliance stuff.
I used Justworks for my S Corp when we hit about $750k revenue. They provided excellent compensation benchmarking data that helped justify my salary decisions. The added benefit was that their documentation carried weight with my tax preparer and potentially with the IRS since it came from a neutral third party.
Thanks for sharing your experience! Did you find that their benchmarking data recommended a higher or lower salary than what you initially thought was reasonable? I'm trying to gauge if they typically push for higher compensation (which might mean more payroll taxes) or if they provide balanced guidance.
Another option nobody mentioned - you could potentially use Section 195 startup expense rules. This lets you deduct up to $5,000 of startup costs in your first year of business (the year you actually started operating), with any excess amortized over 15 years. In your case, since your business actually started operating in 2024 (you did the work), you could claim these as startup expenses on your 2024 return, even without income. Just make sure you're actually "in business" and not just in the planning stages. Keep in mind this is distinct from the general business expense deduction others mentioned. Might be worth looking into both approaches.
Is there any advantage to using Section 195 vs just regular business expenses on Schedule C? Seems like either way the result is the same - deducting expenses in 2024 even with no income.
For smaller amounts like we're discussing here, there's typically no significant difference in outcome between claiming them as regular business expenses or Section 195 startup costs. Both approaches would allow deducting the expenses on your 2024 return. The main difference becomes relevant if you have startup costs exceeding $5,000, in which case Section 195 has specific rules about amortizing the excess. Also, Section 195 specifically addresses expenses incurred before your business began operating, while regular business expenses are for ongoing operations.
Has anyone mentioned the tax implications if the OP decides to quit freelancing after just this one project? I had something similar happen - claimed startup expenses for a business that I ended up abandoning after just one client. The IRS sent me a letter questioning the business loss because I didn't continue the business in subsequent years. Had to provide documentation proving I genuinely intended to continue the business when I made those investments.
This is a really good point! The concept is called "continuity and regularity" - the IRS wants to see that you're pursuing the activity with continuity and regularity for profit rather than as a one-off.
Don't forget to look at state taxes too! If your state has income tax, you'll also need to file an amended state return. Each state has different forms and procedures. Also, make sure you keep REALLY good records of all your expenses related to the delivery job. The IRS might want proof of things like mileage, cell phone costs, etc., especially since it's a significant amount of income. Did you track your mileage while doing deliveries? That's usually the biggest deduction for gig drivers.
Omg I didn't even think about state taxes! And honestly no, I didn't track my mileage at all... I had no idea I should have been doing that. Is there any way to estimate it now or am I just out of luck on that deduction?
You can reconstruct a mileage log after the fact, but you'll need some documentation to support it. Look through your delivery app history - most platforms keep records of deliveries you completed. You can use this to create a log showing dates, destinations, and estimated mileage. The IRS prefers contemporaneous records (tracked in real-time), but they do accept reconstructed logs if they're reasonable and backed by other evidence. You might not be able to claim every mile, but even a conservative estimate could save you significant money. Just be prepared to justify your calculations if asked.
Has anyone here faced an audit after filing an amended return? I'm in a similar situation and I'm really worried that submitting an amendment will trigger an automatic audit. My brother told me that amended returns get flagged all the time.
Since this hasn't been mentioned yet - you should know that profit sharing contributions are completely discretionary year to year, which is incredibly valuable for professional practices with fluctuating income. Some years you can contribute the full 25%, other years you can reduce or skip it entirely depending on cash flow. Also, make sure the plan documents are properly amended to include the profit sharing component. This is something your plan administrator needs to handle formally - you can't just start making profit sharing contributions without updating the plan design. One thing your CPA might not have emphasized: the timing of cash flow matters. The S Corp needs sufficient profits distributed from the LLC to make these contributions. Planning the timing of distributions from LLC to S Corp becomes important if you want to maximize these retirement contributions while maintaining adequate operating capital.
Thanks for this insight. The discretionary nature is really appealing since her income can vary quite a bit. Do you know if there's a deadline for deciding whether to make a profit sharing contribution for the current tax year? Like could we wait until March 2025 to decide about 2024 contributions?
You can actually wait until your S Corp's tax filing deadline including extensions to make the profit sharing contribution for the prior year. So for 2024 contributions, if your S Corp files for an extension, you could have until September 15, 2025, to make the decision and the actual contribution. This flexibility is one of the biggest advantages of profit sharing plans for professionals with variable income. Just make sure the plan documents are amended before the end of the plan year in which you first want to make profit sharing contributions. The plan has to allow for profit sharing before you can actually make those contributions.
Wait, I'm confused about something! You said the LLC already handles your wife's regular 401K contribution before the money reaches the S Corp. Does that mean she's technically an employee of the LLC rather than the S Corp? Because that would change everything about how this works. If she's getting a W-2 from the S Corp (which it sounds like she is), then the LLC shouldn't be handling any 401k deductions - that should all be happening at the S Corp level. The way you described it sounds like there might be a potential compliance issue with how things are currently structured.
QuantumQueen
Here's something nobody mentioned yet - if you use your car for business/self-employment, you might be able to deduct some car expenses including a portion of the interest on your car loan! I'm self-employed and I track my mileage for business vs personal use, and I can deduct either the mileage rate OR actual expenses including depreciation, gas, repairs, and loan interest based on the percentage of business use.
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Diego Vargas
ā¢Oh that's interesting! I do some gig delivery driving on weekends for extra cash. Does that count? How do I track mileage properly? Should I be keeping gas receipts too?
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QuantumQueen
ā¢Yes, your gig delivery driving absolutely counts as business use! For tracking mileage, I recommend using an app like MileIQ or Everlance that automatically logs your trips. Start tracking immediately if you haven't been - better late than never. For tax purposes, you have two options: the standard mileage deduction (58.5 cents per mile for 2025) or actual expenses. Most people find the standard mileage rate easier and often more beneficial. If you go this route, you don't need gas receipts, but keep records of mileage, dates, and business purpose. If you choose actual expenses, then yes, keep all receipts for gas, maintenance, insurance, and loan interest. Either way, you can only deduct the business percentage of these expenses, so accurate mileage tracking is essential.
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Aisha Rahman
dont listen to half these people. turbo tax just wants to know about the car for sales tax deduction. if ur taking standard deduction (which most ppl do now with the higher amounts) then it doesnt even matter. u can skip it completely if ur not itemizing. i did.
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Ethan Wilson
ā¢While I agree that the sales tax question only matters if you're itemizing, I think it's still worth answering correctly in case TurboTax determines itemizing would be better for you. The software compares both options, and a large purchase like a car with significant sales tax might tip the scales toward itemizing being more beneficial, especially if you have other potential deductions.
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