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One thing nobody has mentioned yet - did you perhaps make any large one-time payments that resulted in big deductions? Things like: - Making a large charitable donation - Paying points on a new mortgage - Having major medical expenses - Making a large retirement contribution Sometimes these one-time events can cause a big refund that won't repeat next year. If that's the case, you might not need to adjust your W4s as dramatically.
No, we didn't have any unusually large deductions or one-time payments. We just have the standard mortgage interest deduction, and we each contribute to our 401ks at work but nothing extraordinary. We've been in the same house for 5 years and our medical expenses were minimal. I think you guys hit the nail on the head about the dual income thing. We're both making good salaries but neither of us checked the box for "multiple jobs or spouse works" on our W4s. I'm going to have us both submit new W4s with that box checked and see if that helps!
Have you checked if your employers are using outdated W-4 forms? In 2020, the IRS completely redesigned the W-4 form and eliminated allowances. Some companies were slow to update their systems. If you're still using the old form with allowances, that could explain the over-withholding. The new form is much more straightforward for married couples with multiple incomes.
Just to add another option - if you used TurboTax and paid for it but didn't file, you can also try calling their customer support directly. They have access to your account history and can sometimes help recover forms even from several years back. I had to do this for a 2018 return last year and they were actually pretty helpful.
Do you remember what number you called? I tried their general support line and got stuck in an automated system that wasn't helpful at all.
I used 1-800-446-8848 which is their customer service line specifically for account issues. When you call, say "account help" or "speak to a representative" to bypass most of the automated system. Be prepared to verify your identity with things like your name, address, and the email you used to create your TurboTax account. Having your Social Security number handy helps too. The wait times can be long during tax season, but if you call early in the morning right when they open, it's usually much shorter.
PSA: If you never filed your 2019 taxes and you were OWED a refund, you only have until April 15, 2023 to file and claim it! After 3 years, unclaimed refunds become property of the US Treasury.
I had almost the identical situation with meme stocks in 2021. The key issue is "wash sales" that weren't properly reported. If you were trading the same stock multiple times within 30 days (which most of us meme stock folks were doing), the wash sale rule affects your cost basis. The brokerage SHOULD track this, but many of the discount brokers had systems that couldn't handle the volume of trades happening during that crazy period. You need to go through your trades chronologically and identify any wash sales, then adjust your cost basis accordingly. It's tedious work but you can absolutely get this fixed. The IRS is actually pretty reasonable when you can show proper documentation that proves your real gains/losses.
What software did you use to track your wash sales? I've been trying to use Excel but it's getting really complicated with hundreds of trades.
I ended up using a combination of TaxAct Premier (which has a decent stock transaction import feature) and a custom spreadsheet. The key is to sort all transactions by stock symbol and then by date, which makes it easier to identify the 30-day windows. If you have more than a hundred transactions though, I'd strongly consider using a specialized tool like the one mentioned above or hiring a tax pro who specializes in investment taxes. I spent nearly 40 hours reconstructing everything manually and still wasn't 100% confident in my calculations. It's worth paying for help with this many transactions - especially with an audit on the line.
Quick tip that helped me with a similar situation - if your IRS letter has a CP2000 number on it (check the top right corner), this isn't technically an "audit" but an automated underreporter notice. These are easier to resolve than a full audit. For CP2000 notices involving investment income, they're automatically generated when your 1099-B forms don't match what you reported. As others have said, you need to file a response with Form 8949 showing your correct cost basis. The good news is the response rate for these notices is actually pretty high if you provide proper documentation. I was in a similar situation with about $45k in "phantom gains" and got my case completely resolved within 3 months.
Not at all! Those quarterly estimated tax payments will be credited toward their total tax liability on the joint return. When they file the amended return, they'll include those payments on the appropriate line. The IRS keeps track of all payments made under both SSNs tied to a joint return.
Just want to add - make sure you file the amendment ASAP. I made a similar mistake a few years back (forgot to include some freelance income) and waited too long to fix it. Ended up with penalties that could have been avoided if I'd acted faster. The IRS is generally more lenient if you correct mistakes voluntarily before they find them!
Zainab Ali
Another important thing to consider here is commingling funds. When you take money from personal stock trading and put it into your LLC, you need to properly document it as either: 1) A capital contribution to your business (doesn't reduce your tax on the stock gains) 2) A loan to your business (still doesn't reduce your tax on stock gains) If you don't properly document this transfer, you risk "piercing the corporate veil" which could eliminate the liability protection your LLC provides. This is separate from the tax issue, but equally important!
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Amara Okonkwo
β’Thanks for pointing this out! I hadn't even considered the liability aspect. So how should I properly document the transfer if I decide to move some of my stock profits into my business? Is there a specific form or process?
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Zainab Ali
β’You should create a written resolution documenting the capital contribution or a formal loan agreement if it's structured as a loan. For a capital contribution, create a simple document stating the amount, date, and purpose that you're contributing capital to the business. Keep this with your company records. If you structure it as a loan, create a proper loan document with terms, interest rate (use the applicable federal rate at minimum), and repayment schedule. Then make sure your business actually makes the payments according to the schedule. This is more complicated but can be advantageous in certain situations if you want to pull the money back out later without tax consequences.
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Connor Murphy
Curious - has anyone used TurboTax to handle this kind of situation with stock gains and LLC expenses? Does it give clear guidance on how to keep these separate or do you need something more specialized?
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Yara Nassar
β’I used TurboTax last year with a similar situation. It does have separate sections for capital gains and business expenses, but it doesn't specifically guide you on the relationship between them. I had to know myself that they needed to be reported separately. The software doesn't warn you about taking stock profits and using them for business stuff - you have to understand that concept yourself.
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