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Just to add another perspective here - I'm a property manager who handles several short-term rentals for clients who have them in partnerships. Box 2 vs Box 3 makes a big difference because it affects how the income/losses are treated for self-employment tax purposes too. In my experience, Box 2 is ALWAYS used for any real estate rental, whether short-term or long-term. Box 3 is used for personal property rentals (like when you rent out equipment, vehicles, etc). The confusion comes from the passive activity rules in Pub 925, but those rules determine how you can use the losses, not which box you report them in.
Thanks for this explanation! This makes so much more sense now. So even though my Airbnb isn't a "rental activity" under passive activity rules, I still report it in Box 2 because it's physically real estate. Does this mean I might be limited in how I can use the losses though? Our partnership is showing about $13,500 in losses this year.
Yes, you've got it exactly right - Box 2 is for the real estate itself regardless of how it's classified under passive activity rules. Regarding your losses, that's where the Pub 925 classification becomes important. Since short-term rentals (average stay <7 days) are considered "nonrental activities," you'll need to determine if you materially participate in the business. If you do materially participate (like managing bookings, coordinating cleanings, etc.), then the losses are nonpassive and can offset your other income like wages. If you don't materially participate, then the losses are passive and can only offset passive income.
Does anyone use TurboTax for their partnership returns with short-term rentals? I'm having trouble finding where to indicate that our rental is a short-term rental so it's treated correctly under the passive activity rules. When I enter everything, it seems to automatically classify all rental real estate as passive.
I had this exact problem with TurboTax last year. You need to go into the income section, then after entering the rental income/expenses, there should be a question about average rental period. Make sure you select "7 days or less" if that applies to your Airbnb. TurboTax should then reclassify it properly. The income still shows in Box 2, but it gets the proper treatment for passive activity purposes.
You guys are ignoring a simple solution. The employee and her husband could just do the math themselves to figure out how much extra to withhold. That's what my wife and I do. Take both your annual salaries, add them together, use a tax calculator online to estimate your total tax bill for the year, then divide by number of paychecks. Compare that to what's currently being withheld and add the difference to line 4(c) of the W-4. It's not rocket science and doesn't require special tools or services. Just basic math.
Not everyone is comfortable doing tax math though. My eyes glaze over whenever I try to calculate this stuff, and I inevitably make mistakes. I think the point is that the employer shouldn't be blamed for following the W-4 instructions correctly.
Fair point. I forget that not everyone is comfortable with tax calculations. You're right that the employer isn't at fault here - they processed the withholding correctly based on the form provided. A simpler approach would be to just use the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator online. It walks you through everything step by step and tells you exactly what to put on each line of the W-4. No math required.
Side note: has anyone noticed that the withholding tables seem completely off lately? Even with the "married, but withhold at higher single rate" option checked on old W-4s, we still had people underwithholding. The new W-4 multiple jobs section is better but still not perfect.
I think the problem is that the withholding system is based on outdated assumptions about household income. The tables were designed when it was common to have one primary earner in a family. Now with two similar incomes, the system gets confused without specific instructions.
For what it's worth, I paid $230 last year for tax prep with a similar situation (W-2 + about $5k in freelance income). The preparer found enough additional deductions compared to what I'd have found on my own that it more than covered her fee. Business mileage alone saved me over $300 in taxes. Just make sure whoever you hire will help you maximize legitimate deductions but not push you into gray areas. A good preparer should explain everything and make you feel comfortable with what you're claiming.
Do you think there's value in going back to the same preparer each year? Or should I shop around for the best price annually?
There's definitely value in building a relationship with the same preparer over time. They learn your specific situation and can provide more tailored advice as they get to know your financial patterns. They'll also notice changes year-to-year that might indicate new tax opportunities. Shopping based on price alone can backfire. The cheapest preparers are often the least experienced or may rush through returns during busy season. If you find someone who does quality work and you're comfortable with them, the continuity is usually worth any small premium you might pay compared to shopping around.
I do my own taxes with FreeTaxUSA and it only costs me $15 for state filing (federal is free). Has all the forms for 1099 income. Why pay hundreds to someone else? Seems like a waste of money tbh.
One thing nobody has mentioned yet is that if the original owner of the annuity was taking required minimum distributions (RMDs) before they passed, you'll need to continue taking at least that amount annually. This can affect your tax planning significantly. Also worth noting - if you're inheriting from a spouse, you have different options than inheriting from a non-spouse like a parent or aunt. Spouses can often roll the annuity into their own name, which non-spouses can't do.
This is super important! My brother and I both inherited annuities from our mom, but his was qualified (inside an IRA) and mine was non-qualified. We had COMPLETELY different tax situations and options. The qualified annuity had never been taxed yet, while the non-qualified one had already had some taxes paid.
You're absolutely right about the qualified vs non-qualified distinction. That's a crucial factor I should have mentioned. Qualified annuities (inside IRAs or 401ks) have never been taxed before, so all distributions are generally fully taxable as ordinary income. Non-qualified annuities (purchased with after-tax dollars) will only have their earnings portion taxed, not the original investment amount that's considered the "basis.
Does anyone know if you can disclaim an inherited annuity? My uncle left me one but I'm already in a high tax bracket and it might make more sense for it to go to my kids who are in college and have almost no income.
Yes, you can disclaim an inheritance including an annuity! My financial advisor had me do this with an inherited annuity from my grandmother. You need to: 1) Not accept any benefits from it 2) Provide written refusal within 9 months of the death 3) Not direct who gets it next (it follows the contingent beneficiary designations) Made a huge difference for my family tax-wise.
Brooklyn Foley
One thing nobody's mentioned - if your husband is filing 5 years of back taxes, make sure he's not missing the self-employment tax (Schedule SE) which is another 15.3% on top of income tax. Seen so many 1099 contractors get shocked when they realize they owe both. Also, don't forget estimated tax penalty for not making quarterly payments.
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Sarah Ali
ā¢Oh god, I hadn't even thought about that! Is the self-employment tax calculated on the gross 1099 income or after deductions? And what's the estimated tax penalty usually amount to?
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Brooklyn Foley
ā¢Self-employment tax is calculated on your net profit after deductions (thankfully). So all those business expenses will reduce both your income tax and SE tax. That's why maximizing legitimate deductions is so crucial for 1099 workers. The estimated tax penalty varies based on how much you should have paid quarterly and current interest rates. It's basically an interest charge for not making timely payments throughout the year. It won't be your biggest concern compared to the failure-to-file and failure-to-pay penalties, but it's another thing that adds up. Form 2210 calculates this penalty, and sometimes you can get it waived if you have a reasonable cause, but after 5 years that might be difficult.
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Jay Lincoln
Has your husband been getting notices from the IRS already? If they've been sending notices for years and he's ignored them, that's a very different situation than if he's filing voluntarily before they contacted him. The voluntary disclosure approach gets much better treatment.
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Jessica Suarez
ā¢This is actually super important. If the IRS has already sent notices of deficiency or started collections, the approach is completely different than voluntary disclosure.
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