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'Self-Employed' income or 'Hobby income'? Need guidance on tax filing for app income

Title: 'Self-Employed' income or 'Hobby income'? Need guidance on tax filing for app income 1 Hi everyone, I work full-time as a software developer and need some tax advice about a small side project. Around 5-6 years ago, I created an app and published it on the App Store for free. I've been paying the $125 Apple developer fee annually just to keep it available. Last year (2024), I decided to make it a paid app to see if I could generate some revenue or at least offset that annual developer fee. The app made about $225 in sales, but after Apple took their cut, I received roughly $160. Now I'm trying to figure out how to report this on my taxes, and I'm confused about whether to declare it as "hobby income" or "self-employed income." I personally view this as a hobby side-hustle. I'm not depending on this money at all, and I mainly just wanted to see if I could cover that Apple developer fee. But I've gotten conflicting advice from several tax professionals. Some say I should file it as "self-employed" income because: - When I made it a paid app, my intention was to generate profit - If I keep calling it a "hobby" for multiple years, the IRS might eventually decide it's actually self-employment - As hobby income, I can't deduct expenses like the developer fee or Apple's commission Others suggest "hobby income" because: - This isn't really a business and dealing with Schedule C for self-employment can be complicated - If I report self-employment and claim deductions like the $125 fee and Apple's commission, my taxable profits would be minimal, which might raise IRS flags after a few years When I changed the app from free to paid, I was curious about potential earnings, but I never planned to invest significant time to make it profitable. If it didn't generate much income, I'd be fine with that. At most, I might adjust the app price, but that's about it. I'm really lost on which option makes more sense. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

14 Going back to the original question about hobby vs self-employed income, one thing nobody's mentioned is the self-employment tax. If you file as self-employed, you'll pay an additional 15.3% tax on your net profit for Social Security and Medicare. For hobby income, you don't pay this tax. With your small amount of income, the self-employment tax might actually cost you more than what you save from deducting the developer fee. Run the numbers both ways before deciding.

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1 I hadn't even considered the self-employment tax! That's a really good point. If I go the self-employed route, I'd be paying 15.3% on the profit after expenses. But if I go the hobby route, I'd pay regular income tax on the full $160 without being able to deduct the $125 developer fee. Let me see... If I file as self-employed, my profit would be $160 - $125 = $35, and I'd pay 15.3% on that plus my regular income tax rate. If I file as a hobby, I'd pay just my regular income tax on the full $160. Hmm, this actually makes the hobby route seem better financially in my case. I need to calculate this more precisely. Thanks for pointing this out!

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14 You're welcome! That's exactly the kind of calculation you should be doing. Just to add one more thing: remember that with self-employment, you can deduct half of the self-employment tax from your income. That helps a little. Also, if you think your app income might grow in the future, establishing it as a business now could be beneficial long-term, especially for building retirement savings through a SEP IRA or solo 401(k) once the income justifies it. Just something to keep in mind if you see potential for this to grow beyond covering just the developer fee.

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7 Has anyone used TurboTax for this kind of situation? I have a similar issue with small YouTube ad revenue, and I'm wondering if TurboTax handles this well or if I should use something else.

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19 I used TurboTax for my Etsy shop income last year (about $500). It handled both options fine, but I found the questions for the Schedule C to be easier to follow than trying to figure out where to put hobby income. They walk you through the business vs. hobby test and help you choose which approach makes sense.

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7 Thanks for sharing your experience! That's helpful to know. I'll probably stick with TurboTax then since I'm already familiar with it. Did you end up classifying your Etsy income as business or hobby?

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Schedule C filing requirements for photography side hustle with negative net income

I have some questions about my side hustle taxes that are keeping me up at night. My main income comes from my W2 job in healthcare administration, but I've been doing wedding photography on the side for several years now. I just filed my 2021 and 2022 taxes together this past April. My 2021 return was the first time I included a Schedule C for my photography business. Here's what's worrying me: From around 2018-2020, I tracked all my photography income and expenses carefully in a spreadsheet. But during those years, whenever my expenses exceeded my income (meaning I had a net loss), I didn't file a Schedule C at all. I was under the impression that if I didn't make a profit, I didn't need to report it. Now I'm wondering if I should have filed Schedule C forms for those years even with negative income. Did I mess up? Do I need to go back and file amended returns for those years when my photography business operated at a loss?

Just want to add another perspective - I'm an accountant and see this issue ALL THE TIME with side hustles. Here's a quick breakdown: 1. Any business activity should be reported on Schedule C regardless of profit/loss 2. Business losses can offset other income, potentially reducing your total tax bill 3. BUT be careful - if you show losses for multiple years, you risk the hobby classification 4. To protect yourself, document your "intent to profit" - business plans, marketing efforts, etc. 5. The 3-out-of-5 years profit test isn't absolute, but it's a good rule of thumb For your specific situation, I'd recommend amending the most recent unprofitable years if you're still within the 3-year window. Beyond that, probably not worth the effort unless the losses were substantial.

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Thank you for breaking this down so clearly! My photography losses weren't huge (between $800-1500 each year), but it sounds like I should still file the amended returns. Do you think I should include some kind of explanation letter with my amendments to explain why I'm filing them now? And how do I document "intent to profit" for past years?

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Yes, I would definitely include a brief explanation letter with your amendments explaining that you recently learned about the requirement to file Schedule C even with losses. The IRS appreciates transparency, and this shows good faith. For documenting intent to profit for past years, gather any evidence showing you were serious about the business - things like business cards you had printed, websites or social media accounts promoting your services, photography equipment purchases, workshops or classes you took to improve your skills, client communications, or advertising efforts. Even a basic business plan or rate sheet from those years would help. The key is showing you were genuinely trying to make the business profitable, not just pursuing a hobby.

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Has anyone used TurboTax to file amended returns for Schedule C? I'm in a similar situation and wondering if I can just use that instead of paying an accountant. Their software claims to handle amendments but I'm nervous about messing up.

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I used TurboTax to amend my 2020 return to add a Schedule C for my candle business. It was pretty straightforward - you just indicate it's an amendment, enter your original return info, then make the changes. The software recalculates everything and generates the forms. Just make sure you have good records of your income and expenses from that year.

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Looking for the best bookkeeping solution for tech startups - what are founders using in 2025?

So I've finally hit a decent milestone with my B2B SaaS platform - consistent monthly recurring revenue for the past quarter! Now I need to get my financials properly organized before tax season hits. What bookkeeping solutions or services are tech founders recommending these days? I'm still bootstrapping so I'd like something that scales with my business but won't drain my limited resources. My biggest priority is finding a service with responsive customer support since I've wasted too much time with "help desks" that take forever to respond. What's working well for other tech businesses in 2025?

I run a midsize dev shop and switched from QB to Xero about 8 months ago. Honestly, the user experience is much better, especially for tracking different revenue streams (consulting vs product). Also paired it with Clockify for time tracking since we bill some clients hourly while others are on retainer. The integration between the two has saved us about 5 hours/week on invoicing alone.

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Does Xero handle revenue recognition well for subscription services? We're having issues with our current setup properly spreading annual payments across 12 months.

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Xero handles subscription revenue recognition pretty well. You can set up automated journal entries to spread annual payments across 12 months. It takes some initial setup with a template, but once it's running, it works smoothly. We have clients who pay annually, quarterly, and monthly, and the system keeps it all straight. For really complex subscription setups, we did add a Xero plugin called "Deferred Revenue" that adds some extra functionality, but most startups won't need that until they're at a larger scale.

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I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Wave. It's free for accounting and invoicing with a small fee for payment processing. Been using it for my startup for 2 years and it's been great for basic bookkeeping and expense tracking. Not as feature-rich as QB or Xero but perfect if you're just starting to see MRR and want to keep costs low.

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Wave is definitely underrated! I do have issues with it handling my AWS and GCP invoices tho. Constantly miscategorizes them as personal expenses for some reason.

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My parents falsely claimed me as dependent on taxes and won't fix it - destroying my financial aid eligibility!

I'm at my wit's end with this tax situation. My parents claimed me as a dependent on their 2023 taxes even though I absolutely don't qualify - I'm 20, haven't lived in their state for almost 2 years, and covered about 95% of my own expenses throughout the year including my tuition and housing. When I confronted them about filing an amendment, they flat-out refused, saying they've already planned how to spend their refund and don't want to mess it up. I've tried explaining that if I file correctly (which I need to do), it will likely trigger an IRS review of both our returns, and they could face significant penalties for the incorrect filing. They still won't budge. This is seriously affecting my life. I need to file my taxes correctly to qualify for financial aid and scholarships for the upcoming school year. If they continue claiming me, I'll lose all that assistance, and they aren't contributing a single dollar toward my education costs. I have all the documentation proving my independence - different state ID, my own address, proof I pay my own bills. As of last week, I'm officially covering 100% of my expenses including medical and car insurance that they previously paid. What options do I have here? Can I report this somehow without causing a full audit? Is there any legal action I can take? I moved across the country specifically to escape their controlling behavior, and now they're still finding ways to mess with my life from a distance.

Honestly, this might not be popular advice, but consider whether this battle is worth fighting right now. Yes, your parents are 100% in the wrong, but you need to weigh the financial benefit against the family drama. If your scholarships and financial aid are at stake, then absolutely fight for yourself. But if the difference is just your tax refund, sometimes it's better to let this year go and make sure they understand they absolutely cannot claim you next year. When I was in a similar situation, I decided to let my parents claim me one last year (even though I didn't qualify as their dependent) because they were still helping with some expenses. I made it crystal clear that it was a one-time thing and documented everything for the next year.

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The financial aid is the big issue here. If they claim me, I lose about $12,000 in grants and scholarships because on paper it looks like my family can contribute when they absolutely won't. So it's not just about the tax refund - it's about being able to continue my education.

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In that case, you absolutely need to fight this. $12,000 in financial aid is way too much to give up. Follow the advice about filing your own return correctly and gathering all your documentation. Make sure you have proof of your living situation, all bills you pay, and school expenses. Contact your school's financial aid office immediately and explain the situation. Some schools have procedures for handling cases where parents claim students against their will and won't contribute financially. They may have special forms or processes for dependency overrides in their financial aid calculations.

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From personal experience, your parents might not understand how serious this is. Send them an official-looking letter (certified mail) explaining that wrongfully claiming a dependent is tax fraud punishable by penalties of up to $5,000 plus 75% of the additional tax they received from falsely claiming you. Sometimes seeing it in writing makes it real. Keep a copy of everything for your records. Be prepared that this might permanently damage your relationship with them, but it sounds like they're not respecting your independence anyway.

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This approach can definitely backfire though. My cousin did something similar, and it just made his parents double down and get defensive. They felt like they were being threatened and it made the whole situation worse. Sometimes a more personal approach works better - maybe get another family member they respect to explain how serious this is?

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IRS sent us 2020 tax delinquency notice despite proof of payment. HELP!

This has been an absolute nightmare for us. My husband and I received a letter from the IRS claiming we didn't file our 2020 taxes and demanding $895 plus penalties. We immediately went to our credit union and got documentation proving we sent a check to the IRS which was definitely cashed. We also contacted TurboTax and got confirmation that our filing was completed and submitted properly. We sent all this documentation to the IRS and heard nothing for like 3 months. Then last month, we got another letter saying basically the same thing, but this time addressed to my husband instead of me. Now they want $1650 with all the extra penalties and interest! We went to our local IRS office where they told us to resend the TurboTax confirmation without any watermarks and it would "be handled." Now my husband is on the phone with them again and they're giving us a completely different story - saying we somehow filed both jointly AND separately (which makes zero sense). They're insisting we still owe the full $1650 and the issue won't be resolved until we pay up. But how can we owe money if they already cashed our check? And why does their excuse keep changing every time we contact them? I'm so frustrated and don't know what to do next. This feels like we're being scammed by our own government!

For the original poster, one thing I haven't seen mentioned is filing Form 911 (Taxpayer Advocate Service request). When you have documentation that proves you're correct but keep getting the runaround, the Taxpayer Advocate can intervene. They're an independent organization within the IRS designed to help taxpayers resolve issues that normal channels can't fix. The service is completely free and they have the authority to cut through red tape. In situations with multiple conflicting explanations like yours, they're often the fastest path to resolution.

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I've never heard of Form 911 or the Taxpayer Advocate Service. Is this something anyone can use? And how long does it typically take to get a response from them?

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Yes, anyone can request help from the Taxpayer Advocate Service, though they prioritize cases where taxpayers are experiencing financial hardship, immediate threats of adverse action, or situations where they've tried normal IRS channels without success - which definitely applies to your case. Response times vary greatly depending on their caseload and the complexity of your situation. Currently they're taking about 4-6 weeks for initial response, but they can place holds on collections while they investigate. The best part is you'll get assigned a specific advocate who handles your case personally, so you're not explaining your situation to a different person every time. You can find the form and contact information on the IRS website by searching "Taxpayer Advocate Service.

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Has anyone considered the possibility that you might actually owe the taxes? I'm not trying to be rude, but the IRS doesn't usually make things up completely. Maybe check if there was income reported on a 1099 or W-2 that you forgot about? Sometimes employers or banks submit forms you never received.

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This is actually a good point. I once had a similar issue and it turned out a former employer had submitted a corrected W-2 that showed $2k more income than the original one I received. I never got the corrected copy but the IRS did! Worth checking your wage and income transcript too.

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