


Ask the community...
Economics PhD student here. Another reason for the flat corporate rate that hasn't been mentioned is capital mobility. Corporations can shift profits between countries much more easily than individuals can relocate. A highly graduated corporate tax would incentivize even more profit-shifting to lower-tax jurisdictions. Most countries use relatively flat corporate rates with various deductions/credits rather than graduated rates precisely for this reason. It's part of why there's been a global push for minimum corporate tax rates internationally - to prevent a "race to the bottom" where countries keep cutting corporate rates to attract business.
Interesting point about international competition. Do other major economies like the EU, Japan, etc. also use flat corporate rates? Or are there any examples of major economies successfully using graduated corporate rates?
Yes, almost all major economies use flat corporate rates. The UK, Germany, France, Japan, Canada - all flat rates with various deductions and credits. China has a flat 25% standard rate with reductions for certain industries or regions. There are very few examples of graduated corporate rates in major economies. South Korea has a modestly graduated system with three brackets (10%, 20%, 22%), and the US actually had a slightly graduated system before the 2017 tax reform with brackets of 15%, 25%, 34%, and 35%, though with income phaseouts that effectively flattened it for many corporations. The trend globally has been toward flatter systems with targeted incentives rather than graduated rates.
This is a perfect example of how the system is rigged in favor of corporations! Individuals get stuck with a progressive system where we pay more as we earn more, but corporations just get a flat rate no matter how many billions they make. And then they have armies of accountants finding loopholes to pay even less! Amazon paid $0 in federal taxes some years despite billions in profits! How is that fair when I'm paying 22% of my modest income? The whole "double taxation" argument is BS too since many corporate profits never get distributed to shareholders but instead go to stock buybacks and executive bonuses.
Your facts about Amazon aren't quite accurate. While they did pay little federal income tax in some years (2017-2018 notably), that was because they used legal deductions for R&D, stock-based compensation, and carried-forward losses from earlier years when they weren't profitable. They've since paid billions in taxes. The tax code incentivizes certain behaviors like R&D and investment. That's by design, not cheating. And corporate profits that go to executive compensation get taxed as personal income at graduated rates. Stock buybacks now have an excise tax specifically to address that issue.
Has anyone else noticed that Go2 Bank seems to have a lot of these "surprise" limitations? My cousin had issues with them restricting transfers above $10k without additional verification, which caused him to miss a house deposit deadline. Their customer service was completely unhelpful too.
YES! I had a similar experience with withdrawals! They limited me to $3k per day without warning when I needed to pay for emergency home repairs. When I called customer service, they said I should have read the "digital disclosures" that apparently I agreed to. Never again.
I had the opposite problem last year - my bank processed my large tax payment but then froze my account for "suspicious activity"! Took three days to get it unfrozen. For payments this large, I've learned to call the bank BEFORE making the transaction to let them know it's coming and to confirm any limits. Saves a lot of headache. Pro tip: If you're cutting it close to the deadline, you can also file Form 4868 for an automatic extension to file (though you still need to pay the estimated amount by the original deadline to avoid penalties).
Does Form 4868 help if you've already calculated your taxes and know the exact amount? I thought that was just for extending the filing deadline, not the payment deadline?
You're exactly right - Form 4868 only extends the filing deadline, not the payment deadline. You still need to pay your estimated tax by the original due date to avoid penalties and interest. However, filing the extension can still be useful in this situation because it gives you more time to sort out the payment issues and properly file your return without the additional pressure of the filing deadline. If there are any complications with the split payments or processing time, at least you won't have the added stress of rushing to complete your return at the same time.
If your kids are under 19 (or under 24 and full-time students), pay attention to the "kiddie tax" rules for unearned income. Summer job EARNED income is not affected, but if they have investment income over a certain threshold, it can be taxed at YOUR tax rate. Some parents put investments in their kids' names for college, then get surprised when there are tax implications!
This is good to know! We have a small investment account for our son that generates about $200 in dividends annually. Does that count toward the threshold?
One thing no one mentioned - if your teens are saving for college, having a summer job can be GREAT for Roth IRA contributions! They can contribute up to 100% of their earned income (max $6,500 in 2023) even if they don't owe taxes. My son puts half his summer job money into a Roth IRA, and it'll grow tax-free for decades. Since they're under the standard deduction, they're in a 0% tax bracket - literally the perfect time to make Roth contributions!
Pro tip on fixing your withholding: If you and your spouse both work, the simplest way to handle it is to check the box in Step 2(c) of the W-4 form that says "If there are only two jobs total..." This basically tells your employer to withhold at a higher single rate. It's not perfectly precise but it's way better than what you were doing. Or if you want to be more accurate, use the IRS Withholding Estimator tool and it'll give you the exact extra amount to put on line 4(c) for additional withholding per paycheck.
Thanks! Is there any downside to just checking that box instead of doing the more complicated worksheet? I'm worried about overwithholding now and giving the government an interest-free loan.
The main downside is that it might withhold slightly more than necessary, which means you'd get a refund instead of owing. For most people, that's preferable to owing a large amount, but you're right that it's essentially giving the government an interest-free loan. If you want to get it more precise, the IRS Withholding Estimator is much easier than the worksheet and gives more accurate results. You just enter your and your spouse's income, current withholding, and expected deductions. It then gives you specific numbers to put on your W-4. I recommend redoing this calculation mid-year to make any needed adjustments.
Have you thought about asking for an extension? Filing Form 4868 gives you until October to FILE, but important note - it DOESN'T give you an extension to PAY. You'd still need to pay what you estimate you owe by April 15 to avoid additional penalties and interest.
Malik Thomas
One thing nobody's mentioned yet - check if both software programs are using the same tax year rules! This happened to me once where one program somehow wasn't fully updated with the latest tax law changes, and it caused a similar discrepancy. Also, sometimes the difference can be due to how each software rounds certain calculations or handles certain credits in different orders of operations. It's annoying but can cause hundreds in differences.
0 coins
QuantumQuasar
ā¢That's a really good point I hadn't considered. How would I check if my software is using the most current tax rules? Is there some version number or update date I should look for?
0 coins
Malik Thomas
ā¢Most tax software will show the tax year version somewhere in the settings or about section. Look for something that says "Tax Year 2025" or "Updated for 2025 tax law changes." Some will even show the specific update date. If your software offers a way to view the actual IRS instructions they're using for calculations, that can help too. The most reliable way though is to check the preview of Schedule 8812 from both software programs - they should both reference the same tax year and use identical calculation methods for the Child Tax Credit.
0 coins
Isabella Oliveira
Random thought but have you tried entering your info in the IRS's free calculator on their website? It's not as thorough as full tax software but it can give you a general idea of what your refund should be. Might help you triangulate which software is closer to correct.
0 coins
Ravi Kapoor
ā¢The IRS calculator is decent but it doesn't handle some of the more complex situations. I'd also suggest running the numbers quickly through a third software like Cash App Taxes (formerly Credit Karma Tax) which is completely free regardless of income. Having a third calculation might help show which of your current ones is more likely correct.
0 coins