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Just a heads up from someone who just went through this process - the MAGI comparison (using either current or prior year) has been a feature of several tax credits for years and always updates annually. I used to claim the Retirement Savings Contribution Credit which has the same option. One thing to keep in mind: when you're planning for an EV purchase, remember that it's not just about the MAGI table updating. The actual income limits for the EV credit ($300k MFJ, $150k single) are fixed until 2032. So even though the years referenced in the MAGI table will update, those threshold amounts won't change for almost a decade.
Do you know if leasing an EV works differently for the credit? I heard something about dealers being able to claim the credit on leases even if the consumer's income is too high for the MAGI limits. Is that true or just a rumor?
Leasing absolutely works differently! When you lease, the credit actually goes to the leasing company (technically they own the vehicle), not to you as the consumer. Many dealers will pass the savings on to you through reduced lease payments, but they don't have to. The big advantage is that the MAGI limits don't apply to leases since you're not claiming the credit personally. The leasing company claims it as a business, and they can pass along those savings regardless of your income. This has become a popular workaround for higher-income folks who exceed the income limits.
I just realized something that might be confusing people about Form 8936. There are actually TWO different credits now - the Clean Vehicle Credit (Section 30D) and the Previously-Owned Clean Vehicle Credit (Section 25E). They have different forms, different rules, and different MAGI limits. For new vehicles (Section 30D using Form 8936), the MAGI limits are $300k MFJ/$150k Single. For used vehicles (Section 25E using Form 8936), the MAGI limits are $150k MFJ/$75k Single. But both should use the rolling "current year or prior year" MAGI comparison table when calculating eligibility!
Thanks for pointing this out! That's probably why I was getting confused. I was looking at info for the used EV credit but trying to apply it to a new purchase. The instructions aren't super clear that these are separate things with different forms.
Is anyone else using TaxSlayer for their business? I can't seem to find where to file the extension in their system and their customer service wait time is over an hour right now.
I used TaxSlayer for my S-Corp last year. In the business version, look under the "Filing" menu and there should be an option for "Extensions" or "File Extension." It's not super obvious, but it's definitely there. If you can't find it, try going through the process as if you're going to file your return, and there should be an option somewhere that says something like "I'm not ready to file" which takes you to the extension option.
Don't forget state extensions too! Depending on your state, you might need to file a separate extension for state taxes. Some states automatically grant extensions if you get a federal one, but others require their own filing. Got burned by this in California last year with my business.
Oh man, I didn't even think about state extensions! I'm in Texas so I think I'm ok on state income tax, but I'll double check about franchise tax requirements. Thanks for bringing this up - these small details are exactly what I was worried about missing.
Does anyone know if this new portal works for people who receive Social Security or disability? My mom doesn't file taxes because she only gets SSI benefits, and she received her previous stimulus automatically, but I'm worried she'll miss out on this new one.
Your mom should be fine! Social Security, SSI, SSDI, and Railroad Retirement beneficiaries generally don't need to use the portal unless they need to claim eligible dependents. The IRS will use the information from the Social Security Administration to send payments automatically the same way she receives her regular benefits.
Anyone else getting error messages on the portal? I keep trying to access it but keep getting "Information does not match our records" even though I'm entering everything exactly as it appears on my tax return. So frustrating!
Just wanted to add that if you file Form 4868 for an extension, remember you still have to pay what you estimate you owe by the original deadline. The extension gives you more time to file the paperwork, not more time to pay. I got hit with interest charges last year because I didn't realize this distinction!
Wait, so even with the extension I still need to pay by April 15th? I thought the whole point was to give me more time since I don't have the exact numbers yet?
Yes, you still need to pay your estimated tax by the original deadline (usually April 15, though it varies some years). The extension only gives you more time to submit the actual return paperwork, not more time to pay what you owe. If you don't pay what you owe by the original deadline, you'll be charged interest on the unpaid amount from the original due date until you pay. It's not a huge penalty (currently around 7% annual rate), but it does add up. Make your best estimate and pay that amount when you file Form 4868. If you overpay, you'll get a refund when you file your complete return later.
Try calling the IRS early in the morning like 7:30am eastern time. Less wait time and they can pull up your wage info in their system even if you dont have your W2. Worked for me last year when my W2 got lost in the mail!
Oliver Weber
Just wanted to share my experience - I was in a similar situation with unfiled 2017 taxes. When I finally filed, I actually got a REFUND because I had overpaid through withholding, and the IRS doesn't penalize for late filing if they owe YOU money. Might not be your situation since you said you owed, but it's worth checking. Also, the IRS offers something called "First Time Penalty Abatement" that might help reduce some of the penalties if you've had a good compliance history before this. It won't help with the interest, but it could knock off some of the failure-to-file and failure-to-pay penalties.
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Natasha Romanova
ā¢How do you apply for that First Time Penalty Abatement thing? Is it automatic or do you have to specifically request it? And what counts as "good compliance history"?
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Oliver Weber
ā¢You need to specifically request First Time Penalty Abatement - it's not automatic. You can do this after you file the late return and receive a bill. Call the IRS using the number on your bill and specifically ask for "First Time Penalty Abatement" for your 2019 taxes. For "good compliance history," the IRS generally looks for no penalties in the prior three years and that you've filed all required returns and paid (or arranged to pay) any tax due. So if you didn't have issues with 2016, 2017, and 2018 taxes, you might qualify. Even if you're not sure you qualify, it's worth asking - the worst they can say is no.
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NebulaNinja
Just curious - has the IRS contacted you at all about the unfiled taxes in these 4+ years? I'm surprised they haven't sent notices or letters.
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Javier Gomez
ā¢I'm not OP, but I had a similar situation with unfiled 2018 taxes, and the IRS didn't contact me until almost 3 years later. With COVID, they got super backlogged. When they finally did reach out, the penalties had piled up like crazy.
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