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I made the switch from LLC to S-corp for my electrical contracting business last year. Here's what I learned: - The tax savings are real. I saved about $7k in self-employment taxes by taking part of my income as distributions instead of all as salary. - BUT the paperwork and compliance requirements increased significantly. You need to run actual payroll, do quarterly filings, have more detailed bookkeeping, etc. - You absolutely need a good accountant for an S-corp. I tried doing it myself at first and made some mistakes that could have been costly. - The sweet spot where S-corp makes sense is when you're consistently making $40-50k+ in profit. For receipt tracking, I've been using Expensify and it's been great for construction work. Their SmartScan feature is really accurate with contractor supply stores like Home Depot and Lowe's receipts.
Thanks for sharing your experience! Do you think it makes sense to form an S-corp right away when switching from single-member LLC to having employees? Or should I stay as an LLC taxed as a partnership first until I hit that $40-50k profit consistently?
I'd recommend staying as an LLC taxed as a partnership first until you're consistently hitting that profit threshold. You can always convert to an S-corp later, and it's much easier than going the other direction. The LLC with employees will still give you the liability protection you need, but with less administrative overhead. One thing I forgot to mention - with an S-corp, you must pay yourself a "reasonable salary" before taking distributions. The IRS watches this closely. For construction contractors, that's typically 60-70% of your profit as salary at minimum. So if your profits are tight or inconsistent, the S-corp advantages diminish since most of your income will need to be salary anyway.
One thing nobody's mentioned yet - PLEASE make sure you're charging enough for your work! I'm a contractor too and had the same problem for years. I'd underbid jobs trying to be competitive, then end up barely breaking even after expenses. Two things that helped me: 1. Track EVERYTHING for a few jobs - your time (including estimating, driving, cleanup), materials, equipment wear, fuel, etc. Most contractors don't realize how much all the little things add up. 2. Add at least 20% to whatever you think a job should cost. I was amazed that customers still hired me after raising prices - turns out quality work is worth paying for. You can't fix your tax situation if your business isn't profitable enough in the first place!
Just a heads up - even if your S-Corp return was filed, you need to keep a copy of that return for your records. Try sending a certified letter to your accountant requesting a complete copy of the filed return. This creates a paper trail showing you've made a reasonable effort to obtain your records. If that doesn't work, you can request a copy of the filed return directly from the IRS using Form 4506. It costs about $43 but might be worth it for your records and peace of mind.
That's really good advice, thank you! Do you know how long Form 4506 typically takes to process? I'm concerned about having proper documentation before next year's filing.
Form 4506 usually takes about 75 days to process, so it's definitely not a quick solution. That's why I'd recommend trying the certified letter to your accountant first since that would be much faster. For next year's filing, you should be fine even without a full copy of this year's return as long as you have your K-1. However, if you plan to switch accountants, having the complete return will help the new preparer understand your business situation better.
Something nobody mentioned yet - make sure you check if your state requires a separate S-Corp filing! Some states require a separate state S-Corp return in addition to the federal one. If your accountant didn't file that too, you might have a state filing issue to deal with.
This is super important! My accountant filed my federal S-Corp return but completely forgot about my state filing. Ended up with a $400 penalty that took months to sort out.
Don't forget that if you go the OIC route, they will look at your earning potential, not just current earnings. My brother tried to do an OIC and got rejected because even though he was making little money at the time, he had a degree and work history that suggested he could earn more in the future. They calculated his potential earnings over 4-5 years and determined he could pay the full amount eventually. Also, make sure you've filed ALL required tax returns before applying. They automatically reject OICs if you have any unfiled returns for previous years. And you'll need to be current on estimated tax payments for the current year too.
Thank you for this insight - that's really helpful to know about them looking at earning potential. I have a question though - my earning history has been inconsistent because of contract work, with some years much higher than others. Will they just look at my highest earning year and assume that's my potential? Or do they take into account the volatile nature of contract work?
They typically look at an average of your recent years, but they'll definitely take into account your highest earning years as an indication of what you're capable of earning. However, if you can document that the contract work was irregular or that the industry has changed (especially with the company going bankrupt), that can help your case. Make sure to thoroughly document why your past income isn't representative of future earnings. Include any industry changes, health issues, or other factors that limit your earning potential going forward. The more documentation you provide showing why your situation has permanently changed, the better your chances of having them accept a reduced earning potential calculation.
I successfully completed an OIC last year and paid only about 22% of what I owed. Here's what worked for me: 1) I applied for "doubt as to collectibility" since I couldn't pay the full amount 2) I made sure to calculate a reasonable offer (monthly disposable income ร 12 + assets equity) 3) I included a detailed letter explaining exactly why I couldn't pay 4) Most importantly, I CONTINUED making my monthly payments while the OIC was being processed For the Head of Household question - yes, you can claim your college student if they lived with you for more than half the year (dorm time counts as living with you temporarily) AND if you provided more than half their support. But honestly, changing filing status now won't affect your back taxes - it'll only help going forward.
Did you use a tax professional or do it yourself? I've been watching YouTube videos about the OIC process but everyone makes it seem so complicated. How long did the whole process take from application to acceptance?
I did it myself, though I spent about 3 weeks researching and preparing before submitting. It's definitely complicated but doable if you're organized. The whole process took about 9 months from submission to final acceptance. The key was being extremely thorough with the financial information and documentation. I literally sent them a binder with everything tabbed and indexed. The IRS assigned an offer examiner who called me twice to clarify some expenses, but otherwise the process was mostly waiting. When I got the acceptance letter, I paid the agreed amount within a week, and they released the federal tax lien about 30 days later. Just be prepared for a lot of paperwork and patience!
Don't forget about state taxes too! Depending on which state you live in, you might need to report that Belgian rental income on your state return as well. Some states have different rules for foreign income than federal. I learned this the hard way with my rental property in Mexico. I reported everything correctly on my federal return but didn't realize California wanted their cut too. Got a nasty surprise assessment letter the following year.
Oh no, I hadn't even thought about state taxes! We're in New York - do you know if they follow the federal rules for foreign income or have their own system? This is getting more complicated by the minute.
New York generally follows federal rules for income inclusion, so if you're reporting the rental income on your federal Schedule E, you'll need to include it on your NY return too. The one benefit is that NY does allow credits for foreign taxes paid, similar to the federal system. Some states like Nevada or Florida might be more advantageous for people with significant foreign income since they don't have state income tax. But for now, plan on reporting that Belgian rental income on both federal and NY returns.
Has anyone mentioned Form 8833? If you're planning to take a position based on the US-Belgium tax treaty, you might need to file this form to disclose your treaty-based position. I had to do this with my rental properties in France.
Oliver Fischer
For your S-corp, have you looked into retroactive retirement plans? Solo 401k plans can be established up until the tax filing deadline INCLUDING EXTENSIONS (so potentially Oct 15), and could allow significantly higher contributions than a SEP IRA depending on your specific situation. You'd need to establish the plan before April 15 though, even if you file an extension. Another option: check if you qualify for the Qualified Business Income (QBI) deduction, which could give you up to 20% off your pass-through business income. Review your health insurance setup too - if structured correctly, S-corp shareholders can deduct premiums.
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Natasha Ivanova
โขI thought Solo 401ks were only for self-employed individuals without employees. Doesn't an S-Corp usually have at least the owner as an employee? Would this still work if the owner is the only employee?
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Oliver Fischer
โขYou're right to question this - I should have been more specific. A Solo 401k can work for an S-Corp if the only employees are the owner (and potentially their spouse). If the S-Corp has any other W-2 employees who work more than 1,000 hours per year, then you'd need a regular 401k plan with non-discrimination testing. If OP only has themselves (and possibly their spouse) as employees, then the Solo 401k is still an option and could allow for higher contribution limits than a SEP IRA in many cases, especially when you consider both the employer and employee contribution components.
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NebulaNomad
Maybe this is a dumb question but have you claimed the home office deduction? I have an S-Corp and my accountant says many business owners miss this. If you use a space exclusively for business, you can deduct a portion of your rent/mortgage, utilities, internet, etc. Could save you a decent amount!
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Javier Garcia
โขNot a dumb question at all, but with an S-Corp, the home office deduction works differently than for sole proprietors. The corporation should reimburse you for the home office expenses rather than taking them directly on your personal return. The S-Corp can deduct the reimbursement and it's not taxable income to you if done correctly.
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