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I work in payroll for a university system! Here's what's happening behind the scenes: Each college probably has its own payroll department that processes your specific paychecks, but they all report up to the central university system which has a single Employer Identification Number (EIN). That's why you get separate paystubs but one W2. For tax purposes, the entity with the EIN is your employer - not the individual colleges. So definitely treat it as one employer on your W4. The withholding calculations should be based on your total income from all sources within that system.
This is so helpful! Quick question - what if the pay schedules are different? I teach at one college that pays monthly and another that pays biweekly in the same system. Does that mess up the withholding calculations?
Different pay schedules shouldn't mess up your annual withholding in the end, but it can cause some variation in how much is taken from each paycheck. The withholding system is designed to estimate your annual tax based on the frequency of your pay periods. When you have different schedules, each payroll system is making its own calculation based on that specific payment. The good news is that it all reconciles at the end of the year on your W2. If you want your withholding to be more consistent, you can use the "extra withholding" line on your W4 to specify an additional amount to withhold from one of your paychecks to make up any difference.
Wait I'm in the exact opposite situation - I teach at campuses in two DIFFERENT university systems. So I get two W2s at the end of the year. Should I be checking the multiple employers box? I've been treating them as one job on my W4 š¬
One thing to watch out for with the 1042-S - check your tax treaty! I'm from Ireland and we have specific provisions for retirement accounts in our treaty with the US. I was able to get back almost half of what was withheld because the treaty rate was much lower than the standard 30% withholding. The key is making sure you properly claim the treaty benefit on your return. If you were a resident when you contributed to the retirement plan but nonresident when you withdrew, it gets complicated.
Do you happen to know where in the tax forms you claim the treaty benefits? I've been looking through the 1040 instructions and I'm totally lost.
You'll need to attach Form 8833 (Treaty-Based Return Position Disclosure) to your tax return if you're claiming treaty benefits. On the form, you'll need to cite the specific treaty article that applies to your situation. For retirement accounts specifically, you'll report the income normally on your return, but then identify the applicable treaty article that modifies how it's taxed. The exact location depends on what type of retirement account it was - for example, 401(k) distributions typically go on line 5 of Form 1040, but you'd need to include Form 8833 explaining why the treaty reduces your tax liability.
Does anyone know if the 10% early withdrawal penalty applies differently when you're dealing with a 1042-S versus regular 1099-R distribution? I'm in a somewhat similar situation but can't figure out if I still get hit with the penalty as a non-resident.
From what I understand, the 10% early withdrawal penalty is part of US domestic tax law and applies to US residents/citizens. If you're being treated as a nonresident (getting 1042-S), you're generally subject to flat withholding under Chapter 3 rules, not the additional penalty. But don't take my word for it - check with a tax pro.
Thanks for the insight! I did some more research and it looks like you're right - as a nonresident, I'm generally subject to the flat 30% withholding (or lower treaty rate) but not the additional 10% early withdrawal penalty. This is a huge relief since that would have been another $5,400 on my distribution.
My tax return was 52 pages last year because I have income from three states, run two small businesses, and have rental properties. The more financial complexity in your life, the longer your return gets. Nothing wrong with having a short return if your situation is simpler! One tip: keep a printout or PDF of your full return, not just the summary pages. I once needed to reference something from 3 years ago for a mortgage application, and having the complete return saved me a huge headache.
Do you do your own taxes with all that complexity or hire someone? I'm starting to get more income streams and wondering at what point I should stop using TurboTax.
I started out doing my own taxes using higher-end software like TurboTax Business, but switched to a CPA about four years ago when I added the rental properties. I think the tipping point is when you have multiple types of income that interact with each other in complex ways. For most people, that transition happens when you have both self-employment and rental income, or when you're operating in multiple states. The software can handle it technically, but a good accountant catches nuances and planning opportunities the software might miss. My accountant fee is around $800 annually, but she's saved me at least triple that amount through better tax strategies.
anyone else notice that the length of tax returns has gotten way longer over the years even for simple situations? my parents old returns from the 90s were like 5 pages max but mine is 15 pages now even tho i just have one job and rent an apartment. feels like the tax code just keeps getting more complicated for no reason lol
Has anyone actually tried filling out Form 1116 for this? I only have $67 in foreign taxes from a mutual fund, but I'm not sure if it's worth waiting until Feb 8 or just doing the form. Can someone explain what sections I'd need to complete? The form looks super confusing with all those different parts.
I filled it out last week for a similar situation. For small foreign tax amounts from dividends or mutual funds, you only need to complete a few key parts: At the top, check the box for "Passive Category Income" Part I: Enter your foreign income (dividend amount) on line 1a Part II: Put your foreign tax amount ($67) in column j Part III: Complete the limit calculation (your limit will likely be higher than your tax, so you'll get the full credit) Part IV: You can probably skip this for simple situations Then carry the amount from line 38 to Schedule 3, line 48. The trick is that your mutual fund foreign tax is considered "passive category income" which makes things simpler than other types of foreign income.
Thank you! That breakdown makes it seem much less intimidating. I wasn't sure what category my mutual fund dividends would fall under, so knowing it's "passive category income" is super helpful. Do I need to do any special calculations for Part III or just follow the form instructions? And for Part II, do I need to specify the country or can I just put the amount in column j?
I went through this same issue, but I found a bug/workaround in Free Fillable Forms! If you enter the foreign tax on Schedule B first (even though it's not technically required there), then go back to Schedule 3, sometimes it will then let you enter the amount on line 48. Worked for me with my $93 foreign tax credit from dividends.
That's a clever hack! I just tried it with my return and it actually worked. I put my foreign tax amount on Schedule B (even though it doesn't belong there) and then was able to enter it on Schedule 3 line 48. After I confirmed it worked, I went back and removed it from Schedule B. The system kept the entry on Schedule 3! Thanks for sharing this workaround!
Alicia Stern
This exact thing happened to me! Here's what you need to do - in your tax software, you need to go back and make sure you're indicating that your Traditional IRA contribution is NON-DEDUCTIBLE. Most software has a specific question about this. If you don't mark it as non-deductible, the software assumes it's deductible, and then logically taxes you when you convert to Roth (since you'd be moving pre-tax money to a post-tax account). The key sequence matters too: 1. Enter Traditional IRA contribution 2. Mark it as NON-DEDUCTIBLE 3. Enter the Roth conversion If you do these in the wrong order in some software, it can mess up the 8606. I've been doing Backdoor Roth for 7 years and had this issue once when I switched tax software.
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Ethan Anderson
ā¢Thank you for the specific steps! This makes a lot of sense. I checked my tax software again and I think I discovered the issue - there's a specific question about "Do you qualify to deduct your IRA contributions?" that I must have answered incorrectly. Previous years I knew to say "No" but this year with the job change and severance, I might have clicked "Yes" by mistake. I'll try redoing those steps in the correct order. Would it also make sense to just delete all my IRA entries and start fresh with these steps in mind?
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Alicia Stern
ā¢Yes, I'd recommend deleting all the IRA-related entries and starting fresh. That's the cleanest approach. Some tax software doesn't handle corrections well when it comes to the 8606 form. When you restart, just follow those steps in order. The key is definitely that "Do you qualify to deduct" question - that's the exact one that determines how the software handles everything downstream. Always answer "No" for a backdoor Roth strategy since the whole point is you're over the income limits for deductible contributions. And don't worry about the severance - it's just regular income. It doesn't change how backdoor Roth contributions work. The W-2 Box 13 check is typically for retirement plan participation at that employer, which is separate from your individual IRA strategy.
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Gabriel Graham
Has anyone else noticed that Backdoor Roth reporting seems to be getting more scrutiny from the IRS lately? I did mine the same way for years but got a letter asking for clarification on my 2022 return. Make absolutely sure your 8606 is filled out correctly.
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Drake
ā¢I haven't heard about increased scrutiny, but I can tell you that reporting Backdoor Roth incorrectly is definitely a red flag. When your 1099-R shows a distribution (the conversion) but there's no corresponding basis tracking on Form 8606, it creates a mismatch that their systems can easily detect.
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