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Speaking from personal experience, file ASAP and make sure to include a brief explanation letter. I forgot to file my 2019 taxes (just completely spaced it during pandemic) and when I finally realized, I filed immediately with a short letter explaining the oversight. I did owe some penalties but not as much as I feared. The key is to file before they send you a notice, which looks like you haven't reached that point yet.
Thank you so much for sharing your experience. Do I need to do anything special with the letter? Like attach it in a certain way or reference anything specific? I've never had to write to the IRS before and I want to make sure I do it right.
Just write a simple one-page letter titled "Statement of Reasonable Cause" explaining that you inadvertently missed filing the return due to life circumstances (be specific but brief about the job change and move). Include your names, Social Security numbers, tax year, and sign it. Attach it to the front of your return if filing by mail. If filing electronically, mail the letter separately to the same IRS processing center where you would have mailed your return, and reference your names, SSNs, and tax year 2022 in the letter.
What tax software are u using? I forgot to file 2020 taxes and TurboTax charged me extra for "prior year returns" which was annoying af. Ended up switching to FreeTaxUSA for my late filing which was way cheaper for past years.
I second FreeTaxUSA for prior year returns. TurboTax wanted $140 for my 2021 return when I filed it late, but FreeTaxUSA was like $15. Same forms, way less money.
Here's what our CPA firm is doing for clients with this issue: 1. We're creating a workpaper that clearly separates business meals into two categories: pre-1/1/2023 (100% deductible) and post-12/31/2022 (50% deductible) 2. For clients with good recordkeeping, we're using the actual dates of each meal 3. For clients with less detailed records, we're doing a pro-rata allocation based on 9 months at 100% and 3 months at 50% The IRS hasn't specifically addressed this fiscal year issue in any publications I've seen, but the calendar-specific language in the original legislation is pretty clear that the enhanced deduction ends 12/31/2022.
Have any of your clients using the pro-rata approach been audited yet? I'm worried that might be seen as too simplified if the actual spending pattern wasn't evenly distributed throughout the year.
None of our clients using this approach have been audited yet. You raise a valid concern though. If a client's business is seasonal or their meal expenses fluctuate significantly throughout the year, a pro-rata allocation wouldn't be appropriate. In those cases, we recommend either analyzing the actual receipts or using a reasonable allocation based on their business patterns (like quarterly sales figures or similar metrics that would correlate with business meal activity).
Has anyone heard if Congress might extend the 100% meal deduction? I heard rumors they might bring it back since restaurants are still struggling in many areas. Would hate to spend hours implementing a split approach if they're just going to retroactively extend it again.
I haven't seen any serious legislation proposed to extend it. There was some industry lobbying from restaurant associations, but it doesn't seem to have gained traction. I'd proceed with the split approach rather than counting on a retroactive extension.
Just adding my experience dealing with this exact situation two years ago. Make sure you get a proper valuation of the Roth IRA as of the date of death. This becomes critical for determining the taxable portion of any distributions. Also, don't forget that estates have a very compressed tax bracket schedule - they hit the highest tax rates much faster than individual returns. When I handled my mom's estate, I had to withhold about 37% on the earnings portion of her Roth IRA that went through probate because the estate had other income that pushed it into the highest bracket.
Thanks for mentioning this. How did you determine what portion was earnings versus contributions? Did the financial institution provide that breakdown or did you have to calculate it somehow?
The financial institution should provide statements showing the breakdown between contributions and earnings. Ask specifically for a "basis and earnings statement" as of the date of death. Most major brokerages and banks can generate this report. If they can't provide it for some reason, you'll need to track down old contribution records. The original Roth contributions are your basis, and everything above that amount is considered earnings. The 1099-R you receive when the distribution happens should also code whether it's a qualified or non-qualified distribution, which helps determine taxability.
One important thing nobody's mentioned yet: the tax rules differ depending on when the Roth IRA was established relative to your father's passing. If he established it less than 5 years before his death, different rules apply even if the contributions were made longer ago. Also, as executor, you might want to look into doing a "Roth IRA rescue" if possible. Sometimes you can distribute directly to the heirs instead of the estate, which could preserve the tax-free nature. Might be too late if probate is already underway, but worth asking your estate attorney about.
I tried the "Roth IRA rescue" approach last year and it worked! Had to file some additional paperwork with the financial institution showing I was the sole heir, but saved about $8,200 in taxes that would have been paid by the estate if it had gone through probate normally.
Just wanted to add something important about your credit card debt - while you're tackling the tax issues, don't ignore this! Credit card interest compounds quickly and can become a bigger problem than the taxes. Consider calling your credit card companies and asking about hardship programs. Many have options they don't advertise that can lower your interest rate or even pause payments temporarily while you get back on your feet. Just be honest about your situation.
That's a great point. I've been ignoring my credit card statements because they stress me out, but that's obviously making things worse. Have you had any personal experience with these hardship programs? I'm wondering how understanding they actually are.
I went through this myself during 2020. I called all three of my credit card companies - two offered to reduce my interest rate by about half for 6 months, and one actually gave me a 3-month payment pause without additional interest accumulating. The key is to call before you miss payments. They're much more willing to work with you if your account is still in good standing. Be prepared to explain your situation briefly and have a specific request in mind. Sometimes they'll offer options right away, but other times you need to directly ask "Do you have any hardship programs available?" or "Can you reduce my interest rate while I get back on track?
For the medical bill concern, I'd recommend pulling your credit reports ASAP. You can get free weekly reports from all three bureaus at www.annualcreditreport.com (the only government-authorized source). If you find the bill in collections, don't panic! Medical collections have less impact on your credit score than other types of debt, and new scoring models even ignore paid medical collections.
Kirsuktow DarkBlade
Make sure you check if you need to file a foreclosure or satisfy other legal requirements to properly reclaim your property. I had a similar situation and thought I could just "take back" my property when the buyer defaulted, but ended up having to go through a formal foreclosure process depending on state laws. This also affects how you handle the tax situation.
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Abigail bergen
ā¢This is so important! My brother thought he could just reclaim his property when a buyer defaulted on owner financing, but it turned into a legal nightmare because he didn't follow the proper foreclosure procedures in his state. The tax implications were also way more complicated because of it.
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Kirsuktow DarkBlade
ā¢Exactly right. Each state has different laws regarding owner financing and foreclosure requirements. Some states treat these transactions like mortgages requiring judicial foreclosure, while others allow for simpler processes if you used a land contract or contract for deed. The tax implications directly tie to the legal process. If you don't properly document the default and reclamation according to your state's laws, you could have trouble justifying your tax treatment to the IRS. It's worth consulting with a real estate attorney who specializes in your state's foreclosure laws before finalizing your tax approach.
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Ahooker-Equator
Quick question - does anyone know if we can deduct any legal fees associated with reclaiming the property after a default? I paid around $900 to an attorney to help me through the process when my buyer stopped paying on our owner-financed deal.
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Anderson Prospero
ā¢You should be able to add those legal fees to your basis in the property since they're directly related to defending/clearing title. They're not immediately deductible expenses but get factored into your basis, which will reduce any gain when you eventually sell the property again.
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