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Another thing to consider - even though you're not seeing a tax benefit now, keep tracking all potential deductions each year. Your situation might change! My first 2 years as a homeowner, I took the standard deduction. But by year 3, I had: - Higher mortgage interest (refinanced to a higher amount for renovations) - Larger charitable contributions (donated furniture during renovation) - Some major medical expenses - Higher state taxes after a promotion Suddenly itemizing made sense! So don't get discouraged, just because it doesn't help now doesn't mean it never will.

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Dmitry Popov

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That's really good to know! Do you have any recommendations for keeping track of all these potential deductions throughout the year? I feel like I might be missing stuff.

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I just use a simple spreadsheet with categories for each potential deduction - mortgage interest, property tax, charitable donations, medical expenses, etc. I update it monthly so I don't forget anything. Some tax software also has year-round tracking features or apps. The key is being consistent about saving receipts and documentation. I take photos of donation receipts immediately and save them to a specific folder. For medical expenses, I request year-end summaries from all my providers. It's also smart to check your itemized deductions against the standard deduction amount mid-year to see if you're on track to benefit from itemizing.

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Paolo Ricci

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Quick tip for new homeowners: You may be able to deduct mortgage "points" if you paid any when buying your home. These are usually listed on your closing documents, not on Form 1098. Points paid when purchasing a primary residence are generally fully deductible in the year paid. Again, this only matters if you're itemizing, but it's something extra that might help you reach that threshold!

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Amina Toure

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Not all points are deductible though. I learned this the hard way. Points for lowering your interest rate are deductible, but points that are really just fees disguised as points aren't. Check IRS Publication 936 for the full details.

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Beth Ford

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lol your meme is probably gonna be relevant next year too 😂 the tax code never gets simpler only more complex. i've been filing taxes for 15 years and every single year there's some new form or calculation. remember when you could file on a postcard? pepperidge farm remembers

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Didn't they actually try to make a "postcard-sized" tax form a few years back? Whatever happened to that? Seems like my tax return gets thicker every year.

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Beth Ford

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They did try to make that simplified postcard form around 2018 as part of the tax law changes. It was basically a marketing gimmick - they just moved all the calculations to separate worksheets and schedules that you still had to fill out. The whole thing was abandoned pretty quickly because it actually made filing more complicated, not less. Now tax returns are definitely getting thicker every year with more worksheets and schedules than ever. The 2023 tax year is no exception with all the special credits and deductions they keep adding without simplifying the old ones.

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Your meme was probably about Form 8812, right? That thing is a nightmare when you have multiple kids with different living situations. I had to figure out which of my three kids qualified last year when one lives with me, one lives with their mom, and one is in college but comes home during breaks. Ended up getting it wrong and had to file an amended return.

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Joy Olmedo

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Try using tax software. It walks you through all that stuff step by step. TurboTax, H&R Block, or even the free options like FreeTaxUSA handle all those worksheets and calculations behind the scenes.

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Norah Quay

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Something no one mentioned - make sure your sister doesn't check the box saying "someone can claim me as a dependent" on her return if she files separately. If she does that AND you claim her, it could cause issues because her return would be saying one thing while yours says another. I had this mess with my son when he filed his own return while I claimed him as a dependent. It triggered a review that delayed my refund by almost 3 months!

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Owen Devar

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Thanks for pointing this out! She already filed her return and I just texted her to check if she selected that option. I'm going to ask her to show me her return tonight so I can verify everything matches up with what I filed. Did you end up having to amend either return in your situation?

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Norah Quay

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In our case, my son had to file an amended return to correct his mistake. He had checked "someone can claim me as a dependent" but also claimed his own personal exemption (this was before the tax law changes). It wasn't a huge deal to fix, but it did delay things. The most important thing is making sure all the facts are consistent across both returns. If she filed saying she can't be claimed as a dependent, but you claimed her, that's where the IRS gets confused and may flag both returns for review.

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Leo McDonald

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As someone who works at a tax preparation office, I'd recommend gathering and keeping all these documents in a folder in case you get audited: - Her school records showing your address - Medical bills you paid for her - Utility bills showing your address - Bank statements showing you paying for her expenses - Her ID with your address - Any leases or housing documents with her name Even if your mom tries to claim her, you have residency on your side which is the biggest factor in the IRS tiebreaker rules.

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Jessica Nolan

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Do you need original documents or are copies/screenshots okay? I have similar issues with my nephew who lives with me but his mom claims him every year even though she barely sees him.

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Fun fact: The IRS actually tried to create a system like what you're describing! It was called "Return Free Filing" and was proposed back in the early 2000s. The tax prep lobby (mainly Intuit which owns TurboTax) spent over $20 million lobbying against it. They even got Congress to pass the Free File agreement which basically banned the IRS from creating its own filing system as long as tax companies offered a "free" option (which they then deliberately made hard to find and limited in functionality). Look up "ProPublica TurboTax lobbying" if you want to get really angry about it. There was a huge exposé a few years back. So the direct answer to your question of "why isn't this a thing" is simple: corporate profits over public good.

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Rachel Clark

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That's incredibly frustrating to learn! I had no idea there was actually a proposed system that got killed by industry lobbying. I just looked up that ProPublica article and wow... the fact that other countries have been doing this for decades while we're stuck manually entering numbers that the government already has is ridiculous. Do you know if there's any movement to revive this idea? Seems like the kind of common sense thing that both political parties could potentially get behind.

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There have been several attempts over the years, most recently the Tax Filing Simplification Act that's been introduced a few times but hasn't passed. The current administration has made some promises about simplifying the tax filing process, but meaningful change faces the same powerful lobbying obstacles. The Free File agreement was actually modified in 2019 after the ProPublica reporting, removing the provision that explicitly prevented the IRS from creating its own system. That's a start, but there's still strong resistance. The best hope is continued public pressure and awareness - the more people understand that better options exist and are being deliberately blocked, the more momentum builds for change.

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Caleb Stark

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In Australia, we have exactly what you're describing. It's called "myTax" through the ATO (Australian Tax Office). Most income, interest, dividends, government payments, health insurance, and charitable donations are pre-filled in the system. You just review it, add any deductions they don't know about, and submit. Takes about 15-30 minutes for most people. I moved to the US last year and was SHOCKED at how backwards the tax filing system is here. I spent hours gathering documents that the IRS already had and paying for software to do what should be a free government service. The craziest part is I ended up getting a letter from the IRS months later saying I calculated something wrong anyway - so they clearly have all the info and know the correct numbers! Why make me figure it out first?

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Jade O'Malley

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This makes me want to move to Australia just for the tax system lol. Do they at least buy you dinner before they take your money? The US system is just insult to injury - "figure out how much you owe us or go to jail, but also we won't make it easy, and ps we already know the answer.

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Oliver Weber

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Looking at the facts you've shared, the roof coating seems to qualify as a qualified improvement property (QIP). If that's the case, it would be eligible for bonus depreciation. For 2025, that would be 80% bonus depreciation, with the remaining 20% depreciated over 15 years. Might be worth looking into this angle.

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Ava Martinez

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Wait, I thought QIP only applies to interior improvements of nonresidential property? This is a residential rental building with exterior work.

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Oliver Weber

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You're absolutely right - I missed that this was a residential rental property. QIP only applies to interior improvements of nonresidential real property, so it wouldn't apply here. This would just be a standard capital improvement depreciated over 27.5 years as residential rental property. If you can establish the coating itself as a separate building component with a determinable useful life (based on manufacturer specs), you might be able to use a shorter recovery period. But it wouldn't qualify for QIP treatment.

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Has anybody used the routine maintenance safe harbor for something like this? It states that if you expect to perform the activity more than once during the property's ADS class life, you can expense it. If this coating needs to be reapplied every 10-15 years, and the ADS class life for residential rental is 40 years, seems like it could qualify?

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NebulaNinja

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Interesting point, but I don't think it applies here. Routine maintenance is about keeping the property in efficient operating condition, not extending its useful life. Since OP specifically stated this coating extends the life of the roof, it's a betterment, not routine maintenance.

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