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11 Quick tip based on my experience as someone who dealt with this last year - make sure you're looking at the RIGHT amount on that check stub. There should be two different figures: the original principal investment (basis) and the gain. ONLY the gain is taxable, not the total distribution amount. If the check stub shows $48,500 as the gain and let's say another $80,000 as the original principal, you'd only report the $48,500 as taxable income. This matters a lot because reporting the full distribution as taxable could put you in a much higher tax bracket!
1 Thanks for pointing that out! The check stub does list two separate amounts - the post TEFRA principal (around $125,000) and the post TEFRA policyholder taxable gain (the $48,500). So it sounds like I should just report the $48,500 as taxable income, correct?
11 Yes, exactly right. Only report the $48,500 as taxable income. The $125,000 represents the principal investment (basis) that was already taxed, so you don't pay tax on that part again. The insurance company that properly completed your other 1099-R likely put the $48,500 equivalent in Box 2a and didn't check Box 2b. For this one, they're making you do the math yourself, but the end result should be the same. Just make sure to save that check stub permanently with your tax records!
23 Has anyone had to amend a return after making a mistake with one of these? I reported my entire annuity distribution as taxable last year ($95k) and just realized I should have only reported the gain portion ($32k). Not sure if its worth filing an amendment or just letting it go...
Just a tip from someone who used to work at the IRS - if you mail anything important to them, ALWAYS use certified mail with return receipt requested. And make copies of EVERYTHING before you send it. It's sadly common for mailed returns to get lost in the massive processing centers. If you mail in your return again, make sure to write "COPY - ORIGINAL SENT [DATE]" in red at the top of each page. That helps prevent it from being processed as a duplicate filing. Also, something most people don't know - you can make an appointment at your local IRS Taxpayer Assistance Center instead of calling. Google "IRS TAC appointment" and you can often get in within a week or two.
Thanks for this advice! I didn't know about the Taxpayer Assistance Center option. Do I need to bring anything specific to the appointment? And will they be able to tell me if my return was received even if it's not showing up in their system yet?
Bring a copy of your tax return, your certified mail receipt, photo ID, and any other correspondence you've had with the IRS. These in-person representatives can access different systems than the phone reps sometimes can, so they might be able to locate your return in a different status or location. They can also initiate a formal trace on your return using your certified mail information, which is much more effective than trying to do it over the phone. If they can't find it, they can help you submit a replacement return properly marked so it doesn't create issues. The in-person help is seriously underutilized but much more effective.
Has anyone tried faxing the IRS? I was in a similar situation last year and ended up faxing a copy of my return with a cover letter explaining that it was previously mailed. I got confirmation they received it within about 2 weeks, and my refund started processing after that. Just make sure to write "DUPLICATE - ORIGINAL MAILED ON [DATE]" on every page.
That's actually a smart idea. What fax number did you use? I didn't even know the IRS accepted faxes for tax returns.
Another option nobody's mentioned yet - you could file Form 8889 separately or with an additional statement explaining the correct calculation. I had a similar issue with TaxSlayer miscalculating my HSA contribution limits last year. I ended up printing out Form 8889, calculating the correct amounts manually, and attaching a statement explaining the discrepancy. The IRS processed it without any issues. Just make sure you write "SEE ATTACHED STATEMENT" on the form where the software calculation is wrong.
Would doing it that way cause any problems with e-filing? I'd really prefer not to mail in a paper return if possible. Does OLT allow you to attach explanatory statements to e-filed returns?
You're right to be concerned about e-filing. Most software doesn't allow attaching explanatory statements to e-filed returns in the same way you can with paper returns. Your best option with OLT would be to use their "Additional Information" or "Miscellaneous Notes" section if they have one. Enter a detailed explanation there about your HSA contribution calculation, specifically mentioning the catch-up amounts and why they're correct. This gets transmitted with your e-filed return. If OLT doesn't provide that option, you might need to either paper file or use different software that handles HSA catch-up contributions correctly.
Has anyone tried just splitting the HSA contributions differently between spouses in OLT to get around this? Like instead of $4,250 and $900, maybe try entering it as $3,150 to the family HSA and $2,000 to the individual HSAs ($1,000 each)? OLT might be applying the catch-up contributions incorrectly when they're part of the family contribution, but might handle them correctly when entered as individual contributions.
This actually worked for me with FreeTaxUSA! I had a similar HSA calculation issue and redistributing the contributions fixed it. Just make sure the actual contributions match what you're reporting - you might need to make adjustments with your HSA provider if the real-world contributions were different.
11 I've been using the "Multiple Jobs Worksheet" on the W4 form itself and it's been pretty accurate for me. Make sure you're using the newest version of the W4 (they redesigned it in 2020). The old form used to use "allowances" but the new one is much more straightforward. If you and your spouse both work, or if you have multiple jobs, definitely fill out Step 2. And don't forget about any additional income like investments or side gigs in Step 4.
1 Thanks for mentioning this! I completely forgot about the worksheet that comes with the form. Is it really accurate though? I've heard mixed things.
11 I've found it to be surprisingly accurate for straightforward situations. I have two W-2 jobs with similar pay levels and following the worksheet got me within $200 of breaking even last year. Where it gets less reliable is if you have more complex situations like self-employment income, substantial investment earnings, or major deductions outside the standard deduction. In those cases, the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator or one of the other tools mentioned here would probably work better.
15 Just a heads up that even with the best calculations, your withholding probably won't be perfect. I aim for a small refund (around $500) as a buffer rather than trying to hit exactly zero. That way if I made a small error or something unexpected happened, I'm not scrambling to pay a bill in April.
19 This is great advice! I used to try to get it exactly right but would stress when I ended up owing even $100. Now I just aim for a small refund too and it's much less stressful.
Ayla Kumar
Have you tried contacting your accounting software provider? Most modern payroll systems can print W2s in various formats, including 4-up vertical. I use Patriot Software and they have multiple W2 printing options that work with different types of perforated paper.
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Demi Lagos
ā¢I'm actually using a pretty basic accounting system that doesn't have built-in W2 generation. That's why I'm trying to find a standalone form I can fill out manually. Do you know if any of the free accounting software options include the 4-up W2 printing feature?
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Ayla Kumar
ā¢Most free accounting software has limited payroll and tax form capabilities. Wave Accounting offers free bookkeeping but their payroll add-on that includes W2 generation costs extra. If you're doing this just for a few employees, there are some lower-cost options like HR Block's small business payroll that includes W2 printing in different formats. For under $50, you could get access to their system just for generating these forms. Some online payroll services also offer one-time W2 generation for small businesses without requiring a full subscription.
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Lorenzo McCormick
Just a heads up that if you're looking for the 4-up vertical format, make sure you also get the right envelopes for them! The standard 4-up W2 forms need specific double-window envelopes (the W-2 Double Window Envelope 5-5/8" x 9"). Learned this the hard way last year and had to reorder everything.
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Carmella Popescu
ā¢Do you need special envelopes if you're just distributing them to employees in person? Or is that only if you're mailing them?
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