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Zara Rashid

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Another option nobody's mentioned - you could consider making a larger payment in Q1 (maybe 50% instead of 80%) and then spreading the rest across the remaining quarters. The IRS penalty calculation is cumulative, so being "caught up" by year-end can minimize penalties even if you're technically underpaid in early quarters. I had a similar situation last year with about 65% of my income in Q1, and I paid about 60% of my estimated tax then, and the rest equally over the remaining quarters. The small penalty was worth it for better cash flow throughout the year.

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Luca Romano

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Does this actually work? Wouldn't you still get penalized for those early quarters where you didn't pay enough? I thought the penalty was calculated per quarter, not just at the end of the year.

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Zara Rashid

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The underpayment penalty is actually calculated for each quarter separately, but it's based on how much you're short for the required payment for that period. So you're right that you could face some penalty, but it's usually quite small. For me, the calculation worked out to a penalty of about $240 on a $120,000 income. That was worth it for me to maintain better cash flow throughout the year. It's really a business decision - pay the mathematically correct amount each quarter or pay a small penalty for the flexibility. Form 2210 will calculate the exact penalty amount.

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Nia Jackson

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Has anyone used the Electronic Federal Tax Payment System (EFTPS) for making uneven payments? I'm thinking about setting up payments now for the whole year, with a much larger one for Q1, but I'm not sure if the system allows scheduling different amounts.

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NebulaNova

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Yep, EFTPS works great for this! I use it and you can definitely schedule different payment amounts for each quarter. You can even make extra payments anytime you want. The interface looks like it's from 1995, but it's actually really reliable.

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Nia Jackson

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Thanks for confirming! I'll set it up this weekend. Does it send reminders before the scheduled payments go through? I'm worried about forgetting and not having enough in my account when it processes.

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Isaac Wright

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One important thing nobody's mentioned yet - if you lived in the house with your dad for at least 2 years out of the 5 years before you sell it, you might qualify for the $250,000 capital gains exclusion ($500k if you're married). Even with the step-up basis, this could be super important if the house continues to appreciate after you inherit it.

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I actually moved in with him about 18 months ago to help take care of him before he passed. So I wouldn't qualify for that 2-year requirement yet. Do you know if I'd need to live there longer to get that exclusion? Or does the clock reset when I inherited it?

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Isaac Wright

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The clock doesn't reset upon inheritance - it's based on your actual residency. So if you've already lived there for 18 months, you'd need to stay another 6 months to hit the 2-year requirement. That could save you a lot if the house appreciates beyond your stepped-up basis. Also keep in mind that you'd need to claim it as your primary residence, not just occasionally staying there. But it sounds like you've already been using it as your main home, so that part should be covered.

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Maya Diaz

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Does anyone know how to prove the fair market value at date of death? My sister is in a similar situation and the IRS questioned the appraisal she used. Such a nightmare!

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Tami Morgan

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We used a certified appraisal dated within 30 days of my mom's passing. Cost about $500 but worth every penny for documentation. I also kept comps from similar homes that sold in the neighborhood around the same time as backup evidence.

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Amara Chukwu

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One thing nobody mentioned yet - make sure you fill out your W-4 correctly! The form was redesigned a few years ago and it's different from the old one. If you don't have multiple jobs and nobody claims you as a dependent, it's pretty simple. But if you have more than one job or your situation is complicated, the worksheet helps you figure out the right withholding so you don't end up owing a lot at tax time.

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I messed up my W-4 last year and had way too little withheld. Ended up owing $1200 at tax time that I wasn't expecting! Is there an easy way to estimate how much should be withheld?

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Amara Chukwu

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The IRS has a tax withholding estimator tool on their website that's actually pretty good. You enter your income, filing status, and other details, and it gives you the exact numbers to put on your W-4. If you're worried about owing again, you can also just put a specific additional amount to withhold on line 4(c) of the W-4. Even an extra $25-50 per paycheck can make a big difference at tax time and give you a buffer. Better to get a small refund than owe money you haven't budgeted for!

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Just to clarify something important - if your manager is pushing the W-9 option, they might be trying to save money by not paying employer taxes. As others have said, based on your job description, you're clearly an employee who should fill out a W-4. If you fill out a W-9 instead, here's what happens: 1. No taxes will be withheld from your paychecks (you'll get the full $19/hour) 2. You'll be responsible for paying ALL taxes yourself quarterly 3. You'll pay higher taxes (both employer and employee portion of FICA) 4. You won't be eligible for unemployment benefits if you lose your job 5. You won't have workers' comp protection if you're injured Stand your ground and tell them you need a W-4 because you're an employee, not a contractor!

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Thanks so much for this breakdown! I had no idea about all these differences. I'm definitely going to ask for the W-4 form when I go in tomorrow. If they keep pushing for the W-9, I'll show them this explanation about why I should be classified as an employee. Is there anything specific I should say if they try to insist on the W-9? I don't want to lose this job but also don't want to get stuck with a huge tax bill later.

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Just be straightforward but polite. Say something like: "I've done some research, and based on my role here, I should be classified as an employee and fill out a W-4. Employee classification is determined by IRS rules, not by preference." If they still push back, you could mention that employee misclassification is something the IRS takes seriously, and you're concerned about potential tax issues down the road. You could also ask what specifically about your role makes them think you should be a contractor rather than an employee. As a last resort, you can always contact your state's Department of Labor or the IRS directly for clarification. But hopefully a straightforward conversation will resolve it!

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How Does PPP Loan Forgiveness Affect Taxation for Different Business Structures?

I've been trying to understand the tax implications of PPP loan forgiveness and I'm completely confused by conflicting information. I know initially everyone said forgiven PPP loans wouldn't be considered taxable income, but then I read something from the IRS saying expenses paid with those funds can't be deducted - which basically makes them taxable anyway, right? I'm especially confused about how this works for sole proprietors with Schedule C. If I received approximately $25,000 in PPP funds, and about $19,000 of that is automatically forgiven to cover my "owner compensation," how does that actually work tax-wise? Since I don't technically process payroll for myself as a Schedule C filer, does this mean that portion is truly tax-free both for my business and personally? Or is there some equivalent rule the IRS has for Schedule C filers? Here's a specific example to clarify what I'm asking: If someone with an S Corp gets $25,000 PPP loan with $19,000 forgiven for payroll, it might be a wash at the company level (income from forgiveness cancels out payroll expense), but that $19,000 is still taxable as personal income to the owner who received it. But for a Schedule C filer getting the same $25,000 PPP loan with $19,000 forgiven, there's no formal "payroll" process. Does this mean the Schedule C business doesn't count it as taxable income AND the owner doesn't pay personal tax on it either? Could you then still deduct other business expenses later in the year that you pay with that cash? It seems like Schedule C filers might be getting better tax treatment here, and I want to make sure I understand correctly.

Yara Nassar

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Something nobody has mentioned yet - Congress actually passed a law in December 2024 that DOES allow deductions for expenses paid with forgiven PPP loans. The IRS initially said these expenses weren't deductible (as everyone mentioned above), but the law overruled the IRS position. So the current rule is: 1) PPP loan forgiveness is not taxable income, AND 2) You CAN deduct business expenses paid with PPP loan funds. This applies to both Schedule C filers and other business entities. So there isn't a special advantage for sole proprietors anymore - everyone gets the same favorable tax treatment.

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Wait, are you serious?! That's completely different from what I understood and what others have said here. Do you have a source for this? This would be amazing news if true, but I want to make sure before I file my taxes this way.

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Yara Nassar

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Yes, absolutely serious. The provision was included in the COVID-related Tax Relief Act of 2024, which clarified that "no deduction shall be denied, no tax attribute shall be reduced, and no basis increase shall be denied, by reason of the exclusion from gross income." The IRS then issued Revenue Ruling 2025-02 confirming this treatment. You can deduct all ordinary business expenses paid with PPP loan proceeds, AND the loan forgiveness itself is not taxable income. It was specifically designed to provide maximum tax benefit to struggling businesses. This overruled the IRS's earlier position which had created the situation described in the original post. Congress decided businesses needed the additional tax relief.

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StarGazer101

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Question for tax experts here - I had partial PPP loan forgiveness (about 70% was forgiven). How does that affect my tax situation? Do I only get to deduct expenses proportional to the unforgiven amount?

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Dylan Hughes

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For partial PPP forgiveness, only the forgiven portion receives the special tax treatment. The unforgiven portion is treated as a regular loan. So if 70% was forgiven, that portion isn't taxable income AND (per the correction above about the COVID-related Tax Relief Act) you can still deduct expenses paid with those funds. For the 30% unforgiven portion, you'll eventually repay that with after-tax dollars, but you can deduct the interest paid on that portion as a business expense. Just make sure you keep detailed records showing which expenses were allocated to the forgiven portion in your forgiveness application, as that documentation will be crucial if you're ever audited.

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Have you considered looking for tax relief companies? My brother owed like $12k in back taxes from 1099 work and got help from one of those places advertised on the radio.

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Molly Hansen

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Be REALLY careful with tax relief companies! Most of them charge huge fees and promise things they can't deliver. They basically do the same things you can do yourself (set up payment plans, apply for currently not collectible status, or submit an offer in compromise). The IRS has their own programs that don't require paying a middleman. Check out the IRS Fresh Start program before paying some company thousands of dollars for something you could do yourself for free.

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Brady Clean

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Something else to consider - if you can put the tax payment on a credit card, sometimes that's better than the IRS payment plan depending on your interest rates. The IRS charges both interest and penalties on unpaid balances. Just be careful because there's usually a processing fee of around 2% to pay taxes with a credit card. But if you have a 0% intro offer or a very low interest rate, it might save you money compared to the IRS interest rates + penalties.

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