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One important thing nobody's mentioned yet - make sure you're also claiming Foreign Tax Credit (Form 1116) on your US taxes for any Japanese tax you've already paid! Even after you get the Form 6166 certificate and reduce future withholding, you should get credit for past payments. Also check if your specific work falls under "independent personal services" in Article 14 of the treaty rather than business profits in Article 7. The distinction can matter depending on how long you physically worked in Japan (if at all) and how your business is structured.

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Thanks for mentioning the Foreign Tax Credit! I actually haven't been claiming that - do you know if I can amend previous years' returns to claim it? I've been paying both full US taxes AND the Japanese withholding for about 3 years now.

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Yes, you absolutely can amend your previous returns to claim the Foreign Tax Credit! You generally have 3 years from the original filing deadline to file an amended return (Form 1040-X) along with Form 1116 for the Foreign Tax Credit. For each of those past 3 years, you'll need documentation showing the Japanese taxes withheld. The credit can significantly reduce your US tax liability since it's a dollar-for-dollar reduction (not just a deduction). Many people in your situation end up getting substantial refunds. Just be aware that the Form 1116 is somewhat complex, so using tax software or a professional familiar with international taxation might be helpful for the amendments.

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Quick note about timing - if you're planning to apply for Form 8802, do it WELL before you need it. I applied in January thinking I'd get the certificate by March at the latest. It's now June and I'm still waiting! The IRS is seriously backlogged with these. If you need it urgently, include a cover letter explaining the financial impact and potential loss, and mark the envelope as "URGENT" though there's no guarantee that helps.

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Joy Olmedo

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You might want to try contacting the Taxpayer Advocate Service if you've been waiting that long. They can sometimes help with unreasonable delays. Worth a shot at least!

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Ezra Beard

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Just want to add - FIRE YOUR TAX PREPARER IMMEDIATELY! Telling you to "wait for an IRS letter" instead of properly handling tax elections is inexcusable and potentially costly negligence. A competent tax pro would have either: 1) Filed Form 2553 within the deadlines if S-corp was truly advantageous for you 2) Advised you to file Schedule E if that was more appropriate for your situation Instead, they put you in this mess. Also, it's questionable whether filing 1120S would even "help offset W2 income" for a simple rental property. That sounds like they were confusing rental real estate with active business income. Find someone who actually understands real estate taxation!

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Thanks for being so direct! You're right, I'm definitely not going back to that preparer. Do you have any tips on how to find someone who actually specializes in real estate tax situations? I'm worried about just finding another generic tax person who might not understand these specific issues.

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Ezra Beard

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Look for a tax professional who is either a CPA or EA (Enrolled Agent) who specifically lists real estate investors as a client focus. Ask potential preparers how many clients they have with rental properties and LLCs. A good test question is to ask them to explain the differences between Schedule E reporting and S-corporation treatment for rental income - if they can't clearly articulate the pros and cons of each approach for your specific situation, keep looking. I also recommend checking with local real estate investor associations or networking groups - these often have recommended tax pros who serve their members. These professionals typically understand both the tax advantages and pitfalls specifically related to rental properties and real estate investments.

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Im confused about one thing - if an LLC files 1120S without ever filing 2553, doesnt the IRS usually reject the return or send a notice? My brother did something similar and got a letter like 6 months later saying his S-corp election wasnt valid. did anyone else experience this?

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Yes, this happened to me! Got a notice about 8 months after filing saying my 1120S was "filed in error" since they had no record of a valid S-election. They gave me 60 days to either file Form 2553 late (with reasonable cause) or file the correct return type. The lesson I learned is don't wait for their letter - it takes them forever to catch these things, and meanwhile you're continuing to file incorrectly.

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I made this exact mistake last year but with $37 in dividends that showed up after my conversion. My accountant said not to worry about it and just include it in the basis for next year's conversion. Haven't had any issues.

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Did you have to pay any taxes on those dividends though? I'm confused about whether they count as income for the current year even if you're converting them later.

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Mia Green

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One thing nobody's mentioned - you should check if your traditional IRA has a "sweep" feature that automatically moves dividends to a money market fund. If it's set up right, you can have future dividends go directly to Roth if your brokerage allows it! Saved me a lot of hassle with these small amounts showing up randomly.

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Totally agree with using your complete records. I've been selling online for years and I always report my actual sales regardless of what's on any 1099s. A couple things to consider: - Make sure you're tracking everything properly (platform fees, shipping costs, returns, etc.) - Keep spreadsheets showing how your total income breaks down by platform - Save monthly statements from all platforms as backup - If the difference between your records and 1099-K is large, double check your math Tax authorities want accurate reporting, not just matching forms. As long as you're reporting ALL your income and have good records to back it up, you're doing the right thing.

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Do you know if there's a specific place on Schedule C where we should note the 1099-K amount vs our actual total? I'm new to all this and confused about how to show the breakdown.

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On Schedule C itself, you just report your total gross receipts on line 1. There's no specific place on Schedule C to break out 1099-K amounts separately. If you're using tax software, it might have a worksheet where you can enter various income sources and 1099 forms, but the Schedule C will show the combined total. Keep your own separate worksheet that reconciles your total income with the 1099-K amounts in case of questions later.

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Emma Davis

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Has anyone here dealt with returns that happened in different tax years? Like I got a 1099-K for the full sale amount but the customer returned it in January of the next year. How do you handle that?

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If you're on cash basis (most small sellers are), you report income when received and expenses when paid. So if the return/refund happens in the next year, it would be an expense for that next year, not an offset to the current year's income.

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Tax-Efficient Methods for Withdrawing Funds from an S-Corporation Beyond Ownership Percentage?

I'm trying to figure out the most tax-efficient way to take money out of our family S-Corporation. I own 1% and my mother owns 99%. The business is doing pretty well, and we each get K-1s showing our profit share (1% for me, 99% for her) which go on our personal tax returns. Here's my situation: Let's say our company makes $130K after expenses in 2024. Based on ownership, Mom gets a K-1 for $128,700 and I get one for $1,300. We both pay taxes on those amounts. The retained earnings can then be withdrawn tax-free, which works great for her, but if I take out more than my 1% share, she's essentially paying taxes on money I'm receiving! What I'm wondering is if there's a way to take a larger distribution, say $15K, and have that count as an expense BEFORE the K-1 calculations. So the company would show $115K in profits, Mom gets a K-1 for $113,850, I get one for $1,150, plus I get that extra $15K with minimal tax impact. I've taken substantial distributions in 2024 (well beyond my 1% share), and we haven't filed our final return yet. I'm curious if there's a legal and ethical way to account for these withdrawals more advantageously. I've read something about distributions exceeding shareholder basis being taxed at long-term capital gains rates. Could this apply to my situation? I honestly don't know what my stock basis is or how to calculate it. I paid very little for my 1% back in 2012. How do these distributions affect my basis? If my basis was $7K and I took $15K last year, is my basis now (-$8K)? What's the relationship between stock basis, ownership percentage, K-1 amounts, and actual withdrawals? Should we have been adjusting our ownership percentages each year? Is stock basis the same as the K-1 amount? I've reached out to our accountant but wanted to get some additional perspectives. Thanks to anyone who reads all this and can provide some guidance!

From my experience as an S-corp owner with unequal distributions, your best option is to formalize a loan. Create a promissory note with reasonable interest rate (current AFR rates), specific repayment terms, and have both parties sign it. We made the mistake of taking informal draws for years and had a nightmare sorting it out during an ownership change. Also, don't overlook the benefits of a shareholder agreement that specifically addresses unequal distributions. We amended ours to allow for disproportionate distributions with specific accounting requirements that protect everyone's interests. Whatever you do, make sure EVERYTHING is documented properly. The distinction between loans, distributions, and compensation is exactly what the IRS loves to scrutinize in S-corps.

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Thank you for this practical advice. If I go the loan route, do I need to create the documentation before or after taking the money? I've already taken about $15K more than my 1% share would justify in 2024, and we haven't filed yet. Can I retroactively document this as a loan? Also, any guidance on what a "reasonable" interest rate would be in the eyes of the IRS?

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Ideally, loan documentation should be created before the money is distributed, but you can retroactively document it if you haven't filed yet. The key is to create the documentation before the end of the tax year - so you're still within the window for 2024. For interest rates, the IRS publishes Applicable Federal Rates (AFR) monthly. For a loan between related parties, you should use at least the minimum AFR for the appropriate term (short, mid, or long) from the month the loan was made. For April 2024, the short-term rate was around 5.25%. Using anything significantly below this could cause the IRS to impute interest, which creates tax headaches for both parties. The documentation should include a clear repayment schedule, consequences for default, and signatures from both parties. Make sure your accountant records it properly on the books as a loan to shareholder rather than a distribution.

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Has anyone considered just increasing the 1% ownership stake to better reflect the economic reality? That seems simpler than all these loan structures and special distributions. If OP is consistently taking 10-15% of the profits maybe their ownership should reflect that?

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Liv Park

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This could trigger gift tax issues depending on the value of the company. If mom gives additional ownership percentage that has significant value, it might require filing a gift tax return. Also some S-corps have restrictions in their operating agreements about ownership transfers. But I agree it might be the cleanest solution long-term.

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