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I've been dealing with margin loan interest for years. Here's a simple way to think about it: 1) Home renovation portion: Only deductible if it's a qualified residence (your primary or secondary home) AND the renovations "substantially improve" the property. Repair work doesn't count! Needs to go on Schedule A as home equity interest. 2) Investment portion: Deductible on Schedule A but limited to your net investment income (interest, dividends, capital gains). Fill out Form 4952. Unused amounts carry forward to future years. 3) Personal tax payments: Sorry, not deductible at all. The most important thing is keeping detailed records showing EXACTLY how each dollar was spent. The IRS can disallow everything if you can't prove the allocation.
Thanks for breaking it down so clearly. For the investment portion - do short-term and long-term capital gains both count as "investment income" for this purpose? Also, if my investment income is less than the allocated interest, can I really carry forward the excess to future years?
Yes, both short-term and long-term capital gains count as investment income for the purpose of deducting investment interest. This includes all the investment income reported on your Schedule B, D, and similar forms. The carryforward provision is one of the most valuable aspects of investment interest expense. If your investment interest expense exceeds your net investment income in the current year, you can definitely carry forward the unused portion indefinitely to future tax years. You'll use Part II of Form 4952 to track this carryforward. Many investors actually plan around this, knowing they can use the deduction in future years when they have larger capital gains or other investment income.
Has anyone used the Paid-In-Full method for allocating interest? My accountant mentioned it as an option for my situation which is similar to OP's. Apparently you can pay off the non-deductible portions of the loan first, which essentially converts all your interest into the deductible categories over time?
That's not quite how it works. The "payment allocation" rules let you choose which loan you're paying when you have multiple loans, but they don't let you magically convert non-deductible interest to deductible. The IRS traces interest based on the USE of the money, not which part of the loan you claim to be paying off first.
Thanks for clarifying! I must have misunderstood what my accountant was saying. So there's really no way to optimize the allocation to increase the deductible portion? Sounds like I'm stuck with the original percentages based on how I used the funds.
11 Just wanted to add another option - you can request a Wage and Income Transcript directly from the IRS. It's free and shows all information reported to the IRS, including W-2 data. You can get it online through the IRS website if you create an account, or use Form 4506-T to request it by mail. The only downside is that it might not be available until May or later for the current tax year, so it might mean filing an extension if you're up against the deadline. But it's official IRS data that will match what they have on file.
7 Does the Wage and Income Transcript show state tax withholding too? Or just the federal stuff? I'm worried about both returns.
11 The Wage and Income Transcript only shows federal information, not state withholding. That's an important limitation to be aware of. For state withholding information, you'll need to contact your state tax agency directly to see if they offer a similar transcript service. Some states do have their own wage reporting systems, but it varies widely. You might need to use your federal transcript plus your bank records to make a reasonable estimate for your state withholding if you can't get the actual W-2.
18 My advice? Don't mess around with estimates if you can avoid it. Filing Form 4852 as others suggested is fine, but have you tried reaching out to your company's payroll provider directly? Often smaller companies outsource their payroll, and the provider can often give you access to your W-2 even if the employer is unresponsive. Ask coworkers where they got their W-2s from - was it ADP, Paychex, Gusto, etc? Those services usually have employee portals where you can download your tax documents directly, bypassing your employer completely.
1 I hadn't thought about contacting the payroll company directly! That's a great idea. I think they use some service called Payday or something similar... I'll have to ask my coworker. Would I need specific login information or can they look me up by SSN?
One thing to watch out for with backdoor Roth IRAs - if you have ANY other traditional IRA, SEP IRA, or SIMPLE IRA funds that have pre-tax money, you'll get hit with taxes based on the pro-rata rule. The IRS looks at ALL your IRA money across all accounts. For example, if you have $50,000 in a traditional IRA from an old 401k rollover and you do a $6,000 non-deductible contribution followed by a conversion, you can't just convert the $6,000 tax-free. The IRS will consider it proportional to your total IRA balance.
Does this pro-rata rule apply even if the other traditional IRA is with a different company? Like if my backdoor Roth is with Vanguard but I have an old IRA at Fidelity?
Yes, the pro-rata rule applies regardless of where your IRA accounts are held. The IRS doesn't care if they're at different institutions - they look at the total of all your traditional, SEP, and SIMPLE IRAs combined when calculating how much of a conversion is taxable. It's one of the most common mistakes people make with backdoor Roth conversions. The only way around it is to either convert all your pre-tax IRA money (and pay the taxes), or if you have a 401k that allows it, roll your pre-tax IRA funds into the 401k before doing the backdoor Roth process.
Has anyone used TurboTax for reporting a backdoor Roth? I'm in a similar situation and wondering if it handles this correctly or if I need to go to a tax professional.
I used TurboTax last year for my backdoor Roth and it worked fine, but you have to be careful about how you enter everything. Make sure you indicate that your Traditional IRA contribution was non-deductible. There's a specific section for Form 8606 in TurboTax where you'll report both the contribution and conversion.
Something important that nobody has mentioned yet - even if the TCJA provisions expire and the mortgage interest deduction limit goes back to $1M, many people still won't benefit from it because the standard deduction is so much higher now. My wife and I have a $600k mortgage and we STILL take the standard deduction because our itemized deductions don't exceed $27,700 (2023 married filing jointly standard deduction). So before you get too excited about the potential SALT cap removal or higher mortgage interest limits, do the math to see if you'd actually itemize at all. For many people, it won't matter.
That's a good point, but isn't the higher standard deduction also part of TCJA and set to expire? So wouldn't the standard deduction also go back down in 2026, making itemizing more likely again?
You're absolutely right - I should have mentioned that. The increased standard deduction is indeed part of TCJA and scheduled to expire after 2025. Pre-TCJA, the standard deduction was much lower (around $12,700 for married filing jointly in 2017, adjusted for inflation). If no legislation is passed, the standard deduction would indeed drop significantly in 2026, which would make itemizing deductions beneficial for many more taxpayers. So the combination of lower standard deduction, unlimited SALT deductions, and higher mortgage interest cap could create a substantial change in tax strategy for homeowners in high-tax states.
Does anyone know if the $750k mortgage interest limit is per person or per return? My spouse and I are buying a $1.4M house and wondering if we each get $750k of deductible mortgage or if it's capped at $750k total for our joint return?
The $750k mortgage interest deduction limit is per return, not per person. So on a joint return, your total limit is $750k regardless of how many borrowers are on the mortgage. If you file separately, each spouse gets a $375k limit. This is also true for the pre-TCJA $1M limit that would return after 2025 if no new legislation passes. On a joint return it would be $1M total, or $500k each if filing separately.
Emma Swift
Here's what I learned after dealing with this exact issue: SBTPG (Santa Barbara Tax Products Group) is Intuit/TurboTax's bank partner. When you choose to pay TurboTax fees from your refund, they basically set up a temporary bank account with SBTPG, your refund goes there first, they take their cut, then send the rest to you. The fee breakdown is usually: - Your TurboTax package fee (sounds like Premium was $89) - Refund processing fee ($39-$45 depending on options) - Sometimes a state refund processing fee if you also paid state taxes For future reference, if you pay TurboTax directly when filing (with a credit card), your full refund comes straight from the IRS to your bank account with no middleman and no extra fees.
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Isabella Tucker
ā¢Do other tax filing services do this too? Or is this just a TurboTax thing? I'm trying to decide which service to use next year.
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Emma Swift
ā¢Most of the major tax filing services do something similar if you choose to pay your filing fees from your refund. H&R Block, TaxAct, and TaxSlayer all use a similar bank transfer system and charge an additional fee ($35-$45 range). The only way to avoid these fees completely is to pay for the tax software upfront when you file. Some completely free options like FreeTaxUSA charge much less for their premium versions ($15-$20), so even paying upfront is more affordable than those refund transfer fees. Credit Karma Tax (now called Cash App Taxes) is completely free for federal and state, but it doesn't offer the option to pay from your refund since there's no fee to begin with.
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Jayden Hill
Whaaaat? TurboTax charges me extra to take their money from MY refund?? That's insane! I've been using them for years and always picked that option without realizing there was an additional fee. So lemme get this straight: I pay $89 for Premium + $39 for them to take the $89 from my refund, so actually $128 total? That's almost 50% more than advertised!!! This feels super shady, like they're hiding the true cost.
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LordCommander
ā¢Yep, it's a pretty slick way for them to make extra $$. The worst part is they don't make it very clear during the filing process. It's usually buried in the fine print or shown as a "convenience fee" or "refund processing fee" in a way that doesn't really highlight what's happening.
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