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Another option nobody's mentioned - check your final paystub from that employer! If you still have it (maybe in email?), the YTD (year-to-date) figures on your last paycheck of the year will match what's on your W-2. Most auditors will accept this as proof if you explain the situation with your employer.

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Mei Zhang

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I wish I had thought of that earlier! Unfortunately I don't have any of those old paystubs either. I've been terrible about keeping records and my old email account from back then was deactivated. I'm definitely learning my lesson about keeping important tax documents for longer periods!

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That's too bad about the paystubs. For future reference, the IRS recommends keeping tax records for at least 3 years, but in cases where you might have special deductions or complicated situations, 7 years is safer. I've started keeping all my important tax documents in a dedicated cloud storage folder so I can access them from anywhere and don't have to worry about losing paper copies. Might be worth setting up something similar going forward so you don't run into this issue again.

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Has anyone tried requesting records directly from the Social Security Administration? They keep track of your earnings history and might be able to provide verification of your income for that year.

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Ava Thompson

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The SSA can provide an earnings record, but it won't show tax withholding amounts which is probably what the auditor needs. Their records only show your income amounts reported by employers for Social Security purposes. The IRS transcript is definitely more useful since it shows the complete W-2 information including all withholding.

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Is my tax situation bad enough to need a tax attorney or can a CPA handle the unfiled returns?

I'm in a bit of a mess with my small e-commerce business and wondering if I need to go full tax attorney or if a CPA can handle it. Here's where I stand: I ran an online shop from 2019-2020, and in 2020 the business brought in about $850k in gross revenue. I filed an extension for 2020 and sent about $27k as an estimated tax payment, but then never actually filed the return. The business technically stayed open (though not actively selling) and I haven't filed ANY tax returns since then - no Federal, State, or Sales Tax for 2020, 21, 22, 23, or 24. The IRS just created a substitute return for me and says I owe $540k for 2020! This seems way too high since they didn't factor in any of my substantial business expenses. To make matters worse, my state (Florida) just levied my bank account for $9k with no warning. I talked to a CPA who referred me to another CPA, who then suggested I need a tax attorney. When I went back to the first CPA, they said tax attorneys are "extremely expensive & definitely overkill" and I'm just going in circles. For reference, the attorney wants $6,500 retainer at $500/hour. They're saying I should use a CPA just to prepare the returns, then come back to them to handle filing and IRS communications. Can't a good CPA do all of this for less money? I'm not trying to be cheap at this point - I know this needs to be fixed ASAP. But if we're talking about a $7-13k difference in cost, that's significant money.

Kevin Bell

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As a practical matter, here's the breakdown of what you actually need: For a complex case like yours with $850k revenue, multiple unfiled years, and state levies already happening, you ideally want BOTH a CPA and a tax attorney, but in a way that minimizes cost. Here's what I'd recommend: 1. Have a CPA prepare all your actual returns with proper expenses (much cheaper than an attorney doing this) 2. Have a consultation with a tax attorney (1-2 hours) to assess if there's risk of criminal charges 3. If no criminal risk, let the CPA handle the IRS negotiations 4. If there is risk, then yes, retain the attorney I've gone through this with my business. Initially used just a CPA, but when the IRS started making noises about willful neglect, I brought in an attorney. The attorney only handled the specific negotiations and communications, while the CPA did all the preparation work. This hybrid approach kept my costs reasonable while still getting proper protection.

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Would the original poster need to file business returns separately from personal returns? And what about sales tax - is that a completely different process? I'm confused about how all these different tax types get resolved.

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Kevin Bell

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Based on the description, it sounds like the business was likely a sole proprietorship or single-member LLC, which means business income would be reported on Schedule C of the personal return. So the CPA would prepare personal returns (Form 1040) with business schedules attached for each year. Sales tax is indeed a separate process handled at the state level. The CPA would need to prepare and file sales tax returns for all unfiled periods. This is separate from income tax filings but should be addressed simultaneously since the state has already started collection actions. Most tax resolution CPAs can handle both income and sales tax matters, but it's worth confirming this specifically when hiring someone.

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Don't overlook the penalties here - they're gonna be massive after 5 years of non-filing. Make sure whoever you hire talks about penalty abatement. The IRS has "first-time penalty abatement" and "reasonable cause" options that could save you tens of thousands. I had 2 years unfiled and the penalties were almost 40% of what I owed! My CPA got most of them removed by showing I had health issues that prevented timely filing.

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Felicity Bud

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Good point about penalties. I think with the substitute return already filed, doesn't that mean some penalties are already assessed? Is it harder to get abatement after that point?

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One thing to consider with your basis carryforward situation is whether you have any other traditional IRA assets. The pro-rata rule could make this more complicated. If you have other pre-tax money in any Traditional, SEP or SIMPLE IRAs, you won't be able to just convert the non-deductible portion. You'll have to convert a proportional amount of pre-tax money too, which creates a tax liability. For example, if you have $5,000 in non-deductible contributions (your basis) and $45,000 in pre-tax traditional IRA money, any conversion will be 10% tax-free and 90% taxable because of the pro-rata rule. Many people overlook this when doing backdoor Roth conversions and end up with unexpected tax bills.

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I fortunately don't have any other traditional IRA assets - I've always used my 401k for pre-tax retirement savings and only opened the traditional IRA temporarily for the backdoor process. So I think I'm ok on the pro-rata rule, but that's definitely an important point for others to consider. Actually, I'm wondering if there's any advantage to purposely waiting until the market goes up before doing the conversion next time? That way I could potentially use up some of this basis carryforward?

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Intentionally waiting for the market to go up before converting could help use up your basis carryforward, but it comes with risks. The longer you wait to convert, the more potential tax liability you could create if investments grow substantially before conversion. Remember that any growth that occurs while the money sits in the traditional IRA will be taxable when you convert. So while waiting might help with the basis issue, it could create a different tax problem. Most financial advisors recommend doing the conversion quickly after contribution to minimize taxable growth. It's usually a better strategy to just continue with regular backdoor contributions and let the basis work itself out over time rather than trying to time the market for tax purposes.

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Can someone explain how to calculate the amount that gets carried forward when doing the Form 8606? I'm about to do my first backdoor Roth and want to understand this better.

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The basis carryforward calculation happens on Form 8606. If you contribute $6,000 (non-deductible) to a traditional IRA but the value drops to $5,500 before you convert to Roth, you'll have: - Line 5: $6,000 (your non-deductible contribution) - Line 8: $5,500 (the amount you actually converted) - Line 9: $0 (assuming no previous basis) - Line 10: $6,000 (from line 5) - Line 11: 1.000 (divide line 10 by line 8, but capped at 1.000) - Line 13: $5,500 (line 8 Ɨ line 11) - Line 14: $500 (line 10 minus line 13) That $500 on line 14 is your basis carryforward to next year's Form 8606.

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Zara Malik

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One thing to watch out for with Airbnb rentals is the personal use calculation. If you or family members use it for more than 14 days OR more than 10% of the days it's rented out (whichever is greater), it's considered a mixed-use property and the depreciation rules change slightly. In your case, with 74% rental usage, you need to determine if the other 26% was simply vacant or if it included personal use days. If you personally used it for more than about 27 days (10% of the 74% rented days, assuming a full year), then you need to allocate expenses differently.

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Thanks for pointing this out! Of the 26% non-rental time, we probably used it personally for about 20 days total throughout the year. The rest was just vacancy between bookings. Does that change how I should handle the depreciation?

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Zara Malik

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Since you used it for 20 days personally and that's less than both 14 days and 10% of your rental days, you're still in the clear to treat it as a regular rental property. Your depreciation calculation remains the same - you can deduct 74% of the annual depreciation amount. Remember though, when allocating other expenses like utilities and maintenance, you'll need to use the 74% factor consistently. And keep good records of personal use days versus rental days versus vacant days, as the IRS might ask for this documentation if you're ever audited.

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Luca Greco

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Just a heads up - don't forget to report all your Airbnb income! They now send 1099-K forms to the IRS for any amount earned, so everything is tracked. But on the plus side, you get all these great deductions like depreciation to offset that income.

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Nia Thompson

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Is that true for 2024 taxes? I thought there was still a $600 threshold before they send a 1099-K?

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Luca Romano

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One thing nobody's mentioned yet - check if the notice you received is actually from the IRS! There are TONS of tax scams that look like official IRS letters. Real IRS notices always have a notice number (like CP501 or LT11) in the upper right corner and always include info about your appeal rights. Never call phone numbers listed in the letter - instead call the main IRS number (800-829-1040) to verify it's legit. And the IRS never demands immediate payment via gift cards, wire transfers, or cryptocurrency, which is a dead giveaway for scams.

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Ravi Gupta

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Thanks for mentioning this! The letter does have a notice number (CP504) and there's info about appeal rights. I looked it up and CP504 is a "Final Notice of Intent to Levy" which is freaking me out even more. Does this mean they're about to take money from my accounts?

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Luca Romano

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A CP504 is indeed a legitimate IRS notice and it's basically warning you that they may levy (seize) your assets or tax refunds if you don't address the debt. However, it's not actually the final notice before levy despite what the title suggests. Before they can actually levy your bank accounts or wages, they must send you a "Final Notice of Intent to Levy and Notice of Your Right to a Hearing" (Letter 1058 or LT11) and give you 30 days to request a Collection Due Process hearing. The CP504 is serious, but you still have time and options before any levies would occur. This would be a good time to contact the IRS to discuss resolution options like a payment plan or making a dispute if you believe the assessment is incorrect.

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Nia Jackson

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I've been through exactly this with old tax debt. Here's what worked for me: 1) Get your account transcripts for that tax year 2) File Form 12277 "Application for Withdrawal of Filed Notice of Federal Tax Lien" if they've filed a lien 3) Consider an Offer in Compromise if you can't pay the full amount 4) Look into "Currently Not Collectible" status if you're facing financial hardship The IRS can be reasonable if you're proactive. Just ignoring it is the worst thing you can do. And if you've had major life events like job loss, medical issues, etc., mention those when you contact them - sometimes they take hardship into consideration.

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NebulaNova

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For the "Currently Not Collectible" status, what kind of documentation do they require? I've been unemployed for 9 months and there's no way I can pay my tax debt.

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