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Alina Rosenthal

How long before IRS starts collection process on unpaid tax debt?

I'm currently on a short term payment plan with the IRS that's supposed to wrap up by next March. I've been making the payments, but honestly, I don't think I'll be able to pay off everything by the deadline. From what I understand, my next step would be to set up a partial payment installment agreement (PPIA) once March rolls around. But I'm wondering if I can just skip that whole PPIA paperwork process and simply continue sending whatever money I can toward the tax debt until it's eventually paid off? The big question is: how long would the IRS give me before they start getting serious about collections? Like, would they immediately start garnishing wages or putting liens on property as soon as the short-term plan expires? Or is there some grace period where I can just keep making payments without a formal agreement? Just trying to figure out the smartest way to handle this without creating more headaches for myself. Thanks for any insights!

Finnegan Gunn

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The IRS doesn't typically jump straight to aggressive collection actions the moment a payment plan expires, but you definitely don't want to leave things in limbo either. When your short-term payment plan ends in March, the IRS will expect either full payment or for you to have arranged another payment option. If you don't do either, they'll generally send notices first before escalating to more serious collection activities. This process usually takes several weeks to months, but there's no guaranteed timeline. That said, I strongly recommend against the "just throw money at it" approach without a formal agreement. Here's why: Without a PPIA or other formal agreement in place, you'll remain in a delinquent status in their system, which could trigger automated collection processes. Plus, the IRS continues to charge penalties and interest on unpaid balances. The PPIA might seem like paperwork, but it actually provides you protection against levies and garnishments while you're making payments. It also gives you a clear, approved path forward rather than living with uncertainty about when the IRS might decide to take more aggressive action.

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Miguel Harvey

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Thanks for this explanation. I'm confused about the PPIA though - don't they look at all your finances and assets during that process? I've heard they can be really intrusive and demand you sell stuff before they'll approve it. Is that true?

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Finnegan Gunn

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The financial disclosure for a PPIA is thorough but not as intrusive as many fear. The IRS uses Form 433-A to gather information about your income, expenses, and assets to determine what you can realistically pay. They don't automatically demand you sell everything you own. While they do consider equity in assets, they allow for reasonable living expenses and typically won't force you to liquidate assets that are necessary for your daily life or work. For example, they generally won't make you sell your primary residence or the vehicle you use to get to work. The process is designed to find a payment amount that's realistic based on your financial situation.

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Ashley Simian

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After dealing with a similar situation last year, I discovered this tool called taxr.ai (https://taxr.ai) that was incredibly helpful for figuring out my payment options. I was also on a short-term plan that I knew I couldn't finish and was freaking out about what would happen next. What I liked was that it analyzed my specific situation and gave me a clear timeline of when collection actions might start based on my case. It also showed me exactly what paperwork I'd need for a PPIA and calculated what my monthly payment might be before I even applied. Saved me from making some big mistakes that could have triggered collections faster. The best part was getting clarity on exactly how long I had between the end of my short-term plan and when the IRS would likely escalate things. The timeline was longer than I expected, but still had clear deadlines I needed to be aware of.

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Oliver Cheng

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Does this work for business tax debts too? My LLC has a tax payment plan ending soon and I'm worried about what happens next.

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Taylor To

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I'm always suspicious of these tax tools. How does it know the IRS's internal collection timelines? Seems like it would just be guessing since the IRS doesn't publish exact timelines for when they escalate cases.

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Ashley Simian

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Yes, it absolutely works for business tax debts. The business version actually has more detailed analysis for LLCs, S-Corps, and other business entities since the collection process can be a bit different. It'll help you understand what forms your LLC needs to complete and what your options are once your current plan ends. The tool doesn't claim to know exactly when the IRS will take action on any specific case, but it uses aggregated data from thousands of tax cases to provide realistic timeframes. It's not guessing randomly - it's based on patterns from real cases and current IRS procedural guidelines. What I found valuable was that it gave me ranges rather than exact dates, which honestly felt more trustworthy than someone claiming to know precisely when the IRS would act.

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Taylor To

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I was in the "this sounds too good to be true" camp about taxr.ai but decided to try it when my payment plan was about to expire. Honestly, the timeline it gave me for when collections would likely start was spot on. IRS sent me the first warning notice exactly within the window it predicted. The tool saved me from panicking and rushing into a bad financial decision. It recommended I apply for a PPIA rather than an OIC based on my specific numbers, which turned out to be exactly what the IRS agent suggested when I finally called them. Most importantly, it showed me that I had about 45 days after my plan expired before the IRS would likely move to more serious collection actions, which gave me time to get my finances in order. I still got everything sorted before any real collection activity started, but without the unnecessary stress of thinking they'd garnish my wages the day after my plan ended.

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Ella Cofer

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Kevin Bell

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Ella Cofer

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I have to admit I was wrong about Claimyr. After posting that skeptical comment, my curiosity got the better of me and I tried it when I needed to sort out my defaulted installment agreement. The service actually did get me through to the IRS in about 15 minutes when I'd been trying for days. The agent I spoke with gave me the exact timeline for my situation - they said after my payment plan defaulted, I would receive CP523 notice within 30-45 days, and if I didn't respond to that, they would begin levy actions approximately 30 days after that notice. This was hugely different from what I expected (I thought they'd start collections immediately after a missed payment). The agent also put a temporary hold on collections while I submitted new paperwork, which bought me an additional 21 days. Would never have known this was possible without actually speaking to someone.

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Felix Grigori

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Be VERY careful about missing those payment plan deadlines. I thought I had time after my plan expired and the IRS put a lien on my house with barely any warning. My situation: - Short term plan expired in February - Got a notice about 3 weeks later - Ignored it because I was planning to call "soon" - Second notice came 4 weeks after that - Lien filed 3 weeks after second notice Total time from expiration to lien: about 2 months. Would have been totally avoidable if I'd been proactive about setting up the PPIA before the short term plan expired. From my experience, don't wait for the IRS to start collections before making arrangements. By then it's often too late to prevent the damage to your credit and the additional fees.

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Did you have any warning before they filed the actual lien? I'm worried because I don't always get mail reliably at my address.

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Felix Grigori

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Yes, there were definitely warnings, but they might not look like what you expect. The first notice after my plan expired was a CP523 "Intent to Terminate Your Installment Agreement" - this is essentially your first warning that the collection process is starting. The second notice was a LT11 or "Final Notice of Intent to Levy" which is your last warning before they take more serious action. If you're concerned about mail delivery, I'd strongly recommend setting up an online account at IRS.gov where you can see some (but not all) notices. Also, if you move or aren't sure about mail delivery, fill out a change of address form with the IRS specifically, not just with the post office.

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Felicity Bud

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Does anyone know if requesting a PPIA before your short-term plan expires stops the collections process from starting at all? Or do they still go through some review period where collections could start?

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Max Reyes

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If you request a PPIA before your current plan expires, the IRS generally won't start collections as long as your application is pending. They put your account in "currently not collectible" status during the review process. I did this last year - submitted my PPIA paperwork about 3 weeks before my short-term plan ended. There was about a 6-week review period where nothing happened collection-wise, then they approved my PPIA with monthly payments I could actually afford.

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GalaxyGazer

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From my experience working with tax debt situations, the IRS typically follows a fairly predictable timeline after payment plans expire, but you definitely don't want to test it. After your short-term plan ends in March, you'll usually have about 30-60 days before they start the formal collection process. They'll send a CP523 notice first, then escalate from there if you don't respond. However, this timeline can vary based on your payment history and the amount owed. I'd strongly recommend getting your PPIA application submitted BEFORE your current plan expires. This keeps you in good standing and prevents the collection clock from starting at all. The PPIA process isn't as scary as it sounds - yes, they need financial information, but they're looking to set up something sustainable, not to make your life impossible. One thing people often overlook: even if you think you can't afford the calculated PPIA payment, you can often negotiate or request a lower amount based on hardship. It's much better to have any formal agreement in place than to wing it with informal payments. The "throw money at it" approach without a formal plan leaves you vulnerable to liens, levies, and continued penalties/interest accumulation. Plus, you lose the legal protections that come with an approved payment plan.

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