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Ezra Beard

Managing my IRS payment plan after setting up state tax payments - can I defer federal payment until state is paid off?

I'm in a bit of a financial mess right now with both federal and state tax debts. I've accumulated a pretty significant amount that I can't pay as a lump sum, so I know I need payment plans for both. The state tax department already sent me a notice about my outstanding balance (around $8,200), and I called them yesterday to set up a payment plan. They were actually pretty reasonable about it, which was a relief. But here's the thing - I haven't received any notices from the IRS yet about my federal tax debt (approximately $14,500), but I know it's coming. I'm worried about having to make payments to both agencies simultaneously because my budget is already super tight. I vaguely remember reading somewhere that you might be able to work with the IRS to defer federal tax payments until after your state tax debt is completely paid off. Is this actually a real option? Has anyone done this successfully? I'm trying to figure out the best approach before the IRS notices start arriving in my mailbox.

While you can't completely "defer" federal tax payments until your state taxes are paid off, you do have some flexibility when setting up an IRS payment plan. When you establish an IRS installment agreement, they determine your payment amount based on your financial situation, including your income, expenses, and other debts (including state tax payments). During this financial analysis, they'll consider your state tax payment obligations when calculating how much you can reasonably pay toward your federal tax debt. The best approach is to be proactive. Don't wait for the IRS to contact you. Call them at 1-800-829-1040 or visit irs.gov to set up a payment plan. Have documentation ready showing your state tax payment arrangement. Be transparent about your financial situation and what you can realistically afford each month. For the amount you owe, you might qualify for a streamlined installment agreement which requires less financial documentation. However, your monthly payment would need to pay off the debt within 72 months.

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Does the IRS actually take state tax payments into consideration though? I tried setting up a payment plan last year and felt like they just plugged numbers into a formula without caring about my other obligations.

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The IRS does consider your state tax obligations when determining your ability to pay, especially if you complete a detailed financial statement (Form 433-F or 433-A). They have standardized allowances for certain expenses, but they also look at your actual tax debts as necessary expenses. If you felt your previous experience didn't account for your financial situation, it's possible you were offered a streamlined agreement which uses less detailed financial information. For more complex situations, requesting a more thorough financial analysis might result in a more manageable payment amount that accounts for your state tax obligations.

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Aria Khan

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Everett Tutum

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How exactly does this work? Does it just give you advice or does it actually help with the paperwork? I'm drowning in forms right now trying to figure this stuff out.

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Sunny Wang

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I'm skeptical of tax services that claim to help with IRS debt. Every one I've looked into ends up costing hundreds or thousands of dollars. What's the catch with this one?

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Aria Khan

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The system analyzes your tax documents and financial information to provide specific guidance for your situation. It does help with the paperwork by showing you exactly what forms you need and how to fill them out properly based on your specific circumstances. I found it especially helpful for completing the financial statements that the IRS required. There's actually no catch - it costs far less than hiring a tax professional but gives you similar guidance. What I appreciated most was that it wasn't just generic advice; it was tailored to my specific tax debt situation and financial circumstances. The money I saved on my payment plan more than made up for the cost of using the service.

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Sunny Wang

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I need to publicly eat my words about being skeptical of taxr.ai. After posting that comment, I decided to try it since my situation was getting desperate. The system really did analyze my specific situation and showed me exactly how to approach the IRS. The most helpful part was that it helped me prepare a detailed financial statement that accurately showed my ability to pay while accounting for my state tax payments. I was able to secure a monthly payment that was about $230 less than what the IRS initially proposed. The system also showed me how to document my state tax obligations properly so the IRS would take them into account. Definitely worth it for anyone juggling multiple tax debts.

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If you're struggling to reach the IRS to set up your payment plan, I highly recommend using Claimyr (https://claimyr.com). I spent DAYS trying to get through to an actual person at the IRS about my payment plan situation, but kept getting disconnected or stuck on hold forever. Claimyr got me connected to an actual IRS agent in about 45 minutes when I had previously waited for hours and never reached anyone. You can see how it works in this video: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c. Once I finally got to speak with someone, I was able to explain my situation with the state taxes and work out a payment plan that took my overall financial situation into account.

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How does this actually work? Does it somehow jump you ahead in the phone queue or something? That seems impossible.

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Melissa Lin

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This sounds like complete BS. The IRS phone system is the same for everyone. There's no way to "skip the line" or get special treatment. You just got lucky with your timing.

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It doesn't jump you ahead in the queue. The service uses an automated system that navigates the IRS phone tree and waits on hold for you. When an actual IRS agent comes on the line, you get a callback so you can take the call. It basically handles the hold time for you so you don't have to sit there with your phone for hours. I definitely didn't just get lucky with timing. I had tried calling multiple times over several days at different times (early morning, mid-day, late afternoon) and couldn't get through. The IRS phone lines are notoriously overloaded, especially during tax season. This service just took care of the waiting part so I didn't have to stay on the line myself.

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Melissa Lin

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I have to admit I was completely wrong about Claimyr. After I posted that skeptical comment, my frustration with not being able to reach the IRS got so bad that I decided to try it anyway. Holy crap, it actually works exactly as described. The service called the IRS, navigated the ridiculous phone tree, waited on hold for about 1.5 hours (which I didn't have to do), and then called me when an actual human IRS agent was on the line. I was able to discuss my payment plan and explain my state tax situation. The agent worked with me to set up a plan that considered my state tax obligations. I wish I had known about this months ago instead of wasting days trying to call myself.

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One option nobody's mentioned is an Offer in Compromise. If your financial situation is really bad, you might qualify to settle your tax debt for less than you owe. The IRS will consider your ability to pay, income, expenses, and asset equity. Check out Form 656-B.

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Ezra Beard

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Would an Offer in Compromise work if I've already set up a state payment plan? Also, does this affect your credit score the same way a payment plan would?

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Yes, you can still pursue an Offer in Compromise with the IRS even if you already have a state payment plan in place. The IRS will take your state tax obligations into account when evaluating your offer. In fact, having a state payment plan might strengthen your case by demonstrating your limited ability to pay. Regarding credit scores, an accepted Offer in Compromise can actually be better for your credit in the long run than a payment plan. While the tax lien itself may impact your credit, resolving the debt through an OIC shows resolution. In contrast, a long-term payment plan means you'll have outstanding debt for a much longer period. Just be aware that the OIC process can take 6-12 months, and you'll need to be compliant with all filing and payment requirements during that time.

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Romeo Quest

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Have you considered borrowing money to pay off the state tax debt completely? Personal loan, 401k loan, or even a credit card? Sometimes the interest rate is lower than the penalties and interest that keep accumulating on tax debt.

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Val Rossi

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This is terrible advice. Credit card interest rates are way higher than IRS interest rates. The IRS rate is like 7-8% right now while credit cards are 18-29%. A 401k loan is slightly better but you lose all that potential investment growth.

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