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Im confused about something else too. I sold a rental last year and my tax guy said I needed to file form 8949 along with the 4797. Is that right or was he just making extra work?
Your tax preparer is correct. Form 8949 (Sales and Other Dispositions of Capital Assets) often works together with Form 4797 when selling rental property. Form 4797 reports the sale of business property (your rental), including the recapture of depreciation. Form 8949 and Schedule D are used to report the capital gain portion. Essentially, the transaction may need to be reported on both forms because different parts of the gain are taxed differently - depreciation recapture (on 4797) is taxed at 25%, while the capital gain portion (on 8949/Schedule D) is taxed at capital gains rates.
I just went through this exact situation last month! For a rental property that was never your primary residence, you definitely don't need the Sale of Home Worksheet - that's only for homes where you lived and might qualify for the $250K/$500K exclusion. You'll use Form 4797 to report the sale. One thing to watch out for: even though you didn't receive rental income in 2023, you should still file Schedule E if you had any deductible expenses during the time you owned the property that year. Things like property taxes, insurance, utilities (if you paid them), maintenance, or repairs are all deductible even during vacancy periods as long as you were holding it as rental property. Also, make sure you have good records of all the depreciation you claimed over the years - you'll need this for the depreciation recapture calculation on Form 4797. The recapture gets taxed at 25% regardless of your normal capital gains rate, so it's important to get this number right.
This is really helpful! I'm in a similar situation - just starting to think about selling my rental property next year. Quick question: when you mention keeping records of depreciation claimed over the years, what if I forgot to claim depreciation in some of the earlier years? Do I still have to pay recapture tax on the depreciation I "should have claimed" even though I didn't actually take the deduction?
Another option for your FAFSA situation - if your parents absolutely cannot file their taxes in time, you can file the FAFSA as a "provisional independent student" in certain circumstances. This is rare but possible if you can document that you have no contact with your parents or there are other extreme circumstances. You'd need to work directly with your school's financial aid office and provide documentation. It's not easy to qualify for this, but worth asking about if your parents' tax situation won't be resolved soon.
Thanks for this info! Would my situation qualify though? I do have contact with my parents (I live with them now), they just haven't filed taxes. Would that be considered an "extreme circumstance"?
Unfortunately, parents not filing taxes doesn't usually qualify as an extreme circumstance for FAFSA independence. Extreme circumstances typically include things like documented abuse, incarceration of parents, or complete abandonment. In your case, since you have contact with your parents and they're willing to file (just behind), your best option is probably to work with your financial aid office on a professional judgment review. They can sometimes accept alternative documentation of your parents' income (like W-2s or pay stubs) while they work on getting their tax returns filed.
Just to add some clarity on the dependent vs independent status: The key tests for dependency include whether your parents provide more than half your support, whether you're a full-time student under 24, and whether you live with them (temporarily living away for school still counts as living with them). Each tax year stands alone. So you absolutely can be independent in 2023 and dependent in 2024 if your circumstances changed. The IRS only cares about the facts for each specific tax year.
Does income matter too? I thought if you make over a certain amount you can't be claimed as dependent even if your parents support you?
Yes, income does matter! For 2024, if you're a qualifying child (under 24, full-time student, living with parents more than half the year), your gross income must be less than $5,050 to be claimed as a dependent. If you make more than that, your parents can't claim you even if they provide all your support. Since you mentioned you're only working very limited hours now, you'll probably be under that threshold. But it's definitely something to keep track of as you plan for the year.
This is probably a stupid question, but does anyone know if group term insurance through professional associations (not employers) gets the same tax treatment? My employer doesn't offer benefits, but I can get group life insurance through my professional organization and I'm trying to figure out the tax implications.
Not a stupid question at all! The tax benefits for group term life insurance generally only apply to employer-provided plans. If you get coverage through a professional association and pay the premiums yourself (even at group rates), you're typically paying with after-tax dollars and don't get the same tax advantages. The exception would be if you're self-employed and can deduct the premiums as a business expense, but that gets complicated and has its own set of rules. You might want to consult with a tax professional about your specific situation.
Great question about maximizing group term insurance tax benefits! One strategy that hasn't been mentioned yet is coordinating your group term coverage with your overall estate planning. If you have dependents, you might want to consider keeping coverage at the optimal tax level (around that $50,000 threshold to minimize imputed income) and then supplementing with term life insurance purchased separately if you need more coverage. Also, don't forget that some employers offer "voluntary" or "supplemental" group term life insurance that you pay for with after-tax dollars but still get at group rates. While this doesn't have the same tax advantages as employer-paid coverage, it's often still cheaper than individual policies due to the group purchasing power. One more tip: keep good records of any imputed income reported on your W-2. This shows up in Box 12 with code "C" and while your employer should handle the calculations correctly, it's worth understanding how they arrived at the numbers in case you need to verify them during tax preparation.
Does anyone know if requesting a PPIA before your short-term plan expires stops the collections process from starting at all? Or do they still go through some review period where collections could start?
If you request a PPIA before your current plan expires, the IRS generally won't start collections as long as your application is pending. They put your account in "currently not collectible" status during the review process. I did this last year - submitted my PPIA paperwork about 3 weeks before my short-term plan ended. There was about a 6-week review period where nothing happened collection-wise, then they approved my PPIA with monthly payments I could actually afford.
From my experience working with tax debt situations, the IRS typically follows a fairly predictable timeline after payment plans expire, but you definitely don't want to test it. After your short-term plan ends in March, you'll usually have about 30-60 days before they start the formal collection process. They'll send a CP523 notice first, then escalate from there if you don't respond. However, this timeline can vary based on your payment history and the amount owed. I'd strongly recommend getting your PPIA application submitted BEFORE your current plan expires. This keeps you in good standing and prevents the collection clock from starting at all. The PPIA process isn't as scary as it sounds - yes, they need financial information, but they're looking to set up something sustainable, not to make your life impossible. One thing people often overlook: even if you think you can't afford the calculated PPIA payment, you can often negotiate or request a lower amount based on hardship. It's much better to have any formal agreement in place than to wing it with informal payments. The "throw money at it" approach without a formal plan leaves you vulnerable to liens, levies, and continued penalties/interest accumulation. Plus, you lose the legal protections that come with an approved payment plan.
StarSeeker
One thing nobody's mentioned - start with your most recent tax years first! The IRS typically focuses more on recent unfiled returns, and there's a 10-year statute of limitations on collecting back taxes. Also, you might not owe as much as you think. As a 1099 contractor, you can deduct business expenses that W-2 employees can't. Things like home office, equipment, supplies, mileage, health insurance premiums, and even part of your cell phone bill if you use it for work. These deductions can significantly reduce your taxable income.
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Sean O'Donnell
ā¢There's a 10-year limit on collecting, but isn't there no time limit on assessing taxes when you haven't filed? I thought the statute of limitations only starts running once you actually file.
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StarSeeker
ā¢You're absolutely right about the assessment vs. collection distinction - thank you for pointing that out. The 10-year statute of limitations on collection only begins after the tax has been assessed, which can't happen until returns are filed. In cases of unfiled returns, you're correct that the IRS technically has an unlimited time to assess the tax. However, in practice, they typically focus on the most recent 6 years for enforcement actions. This doesn't mean older years are completely safe, but it does reflect their practical priorities.
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Kylo Ren
I understand the panic you're feeling - I was in a similar situation a few years ago with 4 unfiled returns. The fear of jail time was consuming my thoughts daily, but I want to reassure you that actual imprisonment for non-filing is extremely rare and typically reserved for cases involving deliberate fraud or tax evasion schemes. Here's what helped me get through it: 1) The IRS has a Voluntary Disclosure Program that's designed specifically for people who come forward on their own. This shows good faith and significantly reduces the risk of criminal prosecution. 2) As a 1099 contractor, you likely have more deductions than you realize. Business expenses like equipment, software, office supplies, mileage, and even a portion of your home if you have a dedicated workspace can substantially reduce what you actually owe. 3) The IRS offers several payment options including installment agreements that can make even large tax debts manageable over time. They'd rather collect something monthly than nothing at all. The key is taking action now rather than waiting. Every month you delay, the penalties and interest continue to compound. But by addressing it proactively, you're demonstrating to the IRS that you're making a good faith effort to become compliant, which goes a long way in their eyes. You've got this - the situation is manageable, and there are people and resources available to help you through it.
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