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This exact thing happened to me! Here's what you need to do - in your tax software, you need to go back and make sure you're indicating that your Traditional IRA contribution is NON-DEDUCTIBLE. Most software has a specific question about this. If you don't mark it as non-deductible, the software assumes it's deductible, and then logically taxes you when you convert to Roth (since you'd be moving pre-tax money to a post-tax account). The key sequence matters too: 1. Enter Traditional IRA contribution 2. Mark it as NON-DEDUCTIBLE 3. Enter the Roth conversion If you do these in the wrong order in some software, it can mess up the 8606. I've been doing Backdoor Roth for 7 years and had this issue once when I switched tax software.
Thank you for the specific steps! This makes a lot of sense. I checked my tax software again and I think I discovered the issue - there's a specific question about "Do you qualify to deduct your IRA contributions?" that I must have answered incorrectly. Previous years I knew to say "No" but this year with the job change and severance, I might have clicked "Yes" by mistake. I'll try redoing those steps in the correct order. Would it also make sense to just delete all my IRA entries and start fresh with these steps in mind?
Yes, I'd recommend deleting all the IRA-related entries and starting fresh. That's the cleanest approach. Some tax software doesn't handle corrections well when it comes to the 8606 form. When you restart, just follow those steps in order. The key is definitely that "Do you qualify to deduct" question - that's the exact one that determines how the software handles everything downstream. Always answer "No" for a backdoor Roth strategy since the whole point is you're over the income limits for deductible contributions. And don't worry about the severance - it's just regular income. It doesn't change how backdoor Roth contributions work. The W-2 Box 13 check is typically for retirement plan participation at that employer, which is separate from your individual IRA strategy.
Has anyone else noticed that Backdoor Roth reporting seems to be getting more scrutiny from the IRS lately? I did mine the same way for years but got a letter asking for clarification on my 2022 return. Make absolutely sure your 8606 is filled out correctly.
I haven't heard about increased scrutiny, but I can tell you that reporting Backdoor Roth incorrectly is definitely a red flag. When your 1099-R shows a distribution (the conversion) but there's no corresponding basis tracking on Form 8606, it creates a mismatch that their systems can easily detect.
The same thing happened to me last week! My TurboTax status flipped back to pending after showing approved for days. I freaked out and thought my refund was being audited or something. Turned out it was just a TurboTax glitch. My refund still arrived exactly on the date the IRS site predicted. TurboTax's tracker never even updated back to the correct status before the money hit my account. Honestly their tracking system seems pretty unreliable during peak tax season.
Did you contact TurboTax customer support about it? I wonder if they even know their system is doing this to people and causing anxiety.
I did try reaching out to their customer service about it. Got a generic response saying "refund status is provided by the IRS and we recommend checking the IRS website for the most accurate information." Pretty much confirmed they know their tracker has issues but don't really do anything to fix it or warn users. The representative didn't seem surprised at all when I mentioned the status randomly changing, so I'm guessing they get these complaints all the time during tax season.
I work at a tax prep office (not TurboTax) and we see this ALL the time. Here's what's usually happening: The IRS updates their systems in batches, sometimes multiple times a day. TurboTax and other services pull data from the IRS but not continuously - they might only refresh every 24 hours or even less frequently during peak season. When statuses are changing rapidly (like when your refund is moving from approved to sent), these systems can get out of sync. The IRS "Where's My Refund" tool always has the most current information because you're checking directly with the source.
I work in payroll for a university system! Here's what's happening behind the scenes: Each college probably has its own payroll department that processes your specific paychecks, but they all report up to the central university system which has a single Employer Identification Number (EIN). That's why you get separate paystubs but one W2. For tax purposes, the entity with the EIN is your employer - not the individual colleges. So definitely treat it as one employer on your W4. The withholding calculations should be based on your total income from all sources within that system.
This is so helpful! Quick question - what if the pay schedules are different? I teach at one college that pays monthly and another that pays biweekly in the same system. Does that mess up the withholding calculations?
Different pay schedules shouldn't mess up your annual withholding in the end, but it can cause some variation in how much is taken from each paycheck. The withholding system is designed to estimate your annual tax based on the frequency of your pay periods. When you have different schedules, each payroll system is making its own calculation based on that specific payment. The good news is that it all reconciles at the end of the year on your W2. If you want your withholding to be more consistent, you can use the "extra withholding" line on your W4 to specify an additional amount to withhold from one of your paychecks to make up any difference.
Wait I'm in the exact opposite situation - I teach at campuses in two DIFFERENT university systems. So I get two W2s at the end of the year. Should I be checking the multiple employers box? I've been treating them as one job on my W4 š¬
One thing to watch out for with the 1042-S - check your tax treaty! I'm from Ireland and we have specific provisions for retirement accounts in our treaty with the US. I was able to get back almost half of what was withheld because the treaty rate was much lower than the standard 30% withholding. The key is making sure you properly claim the treaty benefit on your return. If you were a resident when you contributed to the retirement plan but nonresident when you withdrew, it gets complicated.
Do you happen to know where in the tax forms you claim the treaty benefits? I've been looking through the 1040 instructions and I'm totally lost.
You'll need to attach Form 8833 (Treaty-Based Return Position Disclosure) to your tax return if you're claiming treaty benefits. On the form, you'll need to cite the specific treaty article that applies to your situation. For retirement accounts specifically, you'll report the income normally on your return, but then identify the applicable treaty article that modifies how it's taxed. The exact location depends on what type of retirement account it was - for example, 401(k) distributions typically go on line 5 of Form 1040, but you'd need to include Form 8833 explaining why the treaty reduces your tax liability.
Does anyone know if the 10% early withdrawal penalty applies differently when you're dealing with a 1042-S versus regular 1099-R distribution? I'm in a somewhat similar situation but can't figure out if I still get hit with the penalty as a non-resident.
From what I understand, the 10% early withdrawal penalty is part of US domestic tax law and applies to US residents/citizens. If you're being treated as a nonresident (getting 1042-S), you're generally subject to flat withholding under Chapter 3 rules, not the additional penalty. But don't take my word for it - check with a tax pro.
Thanks for the insight! I did some more research and it looks like you're right - as a nonresident, I'm generally subject to the flat 30% withholding (or lower treaty rate) but not the additional 10% early withdrawal penalty. This is a huge relief since that would have been another $5,400 on my distribution.
QuantumQuest
One thing nobody's mentioned yet - double-check that your FUTA payments were applied to the correct tax periods when you made them through EFTPS. I had an issue where I made back payments but didn't properly designate the tax year, so they applied everything to the current year. This created a whole new headache because the system showed overpayment for the current year and still showed deficiencies for the prior years. Had to call and have them reallocate the payments to the correct periods.
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Nia Thompson
ā¢Thanks for mentioning this! I'll double check my EFTPS payments right away. Did you have to do anything special to get them to reallocate the payments to the correct years?
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QuantumQuest
ā¢You'll need to call the IRS Business Tax line and specifically request a payment transfer. Have your EFTPS confirmation numbers ready along with the dates of the payments and the tax periods they should be applied to. I found it helpful to prepare a simple spreadsheet showing the payment date, amount, confirmation number, and which tax period each payment should apply to. The agent I spoke with appreciated having all the information organized, and it made the process much smoother.
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Jamal Anderson
Just want to add that if you do get hit with penalties and decide to request abatement, make sure to explicitly state whether you're requesting "First Time Abatement" or "Reasonable Cause" relief. They're processed differently by the IRS. First Time Abatement is usually easier to get but only applies if you haven't had penalties in the prior 3 years. Reasonable Cause requires you to demonstrate why you couldn't comply despite using ordinary business care and prudence.
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Mei Zhang
ā¢What's the best way to word a reasonable cause request? My situation was similar but I'm not eligible for first time abatement.
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