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Andrew Pinnock

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Don't forget to check if your LLC's agreement has any specific language about debt guarantees and allocations. Ours had a special provision that said debt basis would be allocated according to capital contributions regardless of guarantees, which apparently overrides the default tax rules. Our tax attorney said this was enforceable as long as it had "substantial economic effect" under 704(b). Might be worth checking your docs for similar provisions.

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Angelica Smith

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Our operating agreement doesn't have anything specific about debt allocations, just the standard profit/loss percentages. Does that mean we default to allocating based on the guarantees? And what if a member who guaranteed the debt has a negative capital account - does that change anything?

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Andrew Pinnock

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Without specific debt allocation provisions, you'll default to the general tax rules which typically assign recourse debt basis to those bearing the economic risk of loss - meaning your guarantors. A negative capital account doesn't change the debt allocation rules, but it's actually a good sign that the member might need that debt basis. The debt allocation essentially helps prevent a partner from going too negative in their capital account. This is why guarantors often want that debt basis - it gives them more ability to take losses without triggering basis limitations.

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Brianna Schmidt

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Our LLC had this exact issue last year. We ended up allocating the debt 50/50 to the two guarantors for basis purposes, but then had a separate "guarantee fee" that the non-guaranteeing members paid to the guarantors as compensation for taking on the risk. This fee was negotiated as a percentage of the debt guaranteed. Might be a fair way to handle the economic reality that some members are taking more risk than others.

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Alexis Renard

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Is the guarantee fee tax deductible to the LLC? And how do the guarantors report that income? As ordinary income or something else?

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Debra Bai

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I may be missing something here, but I think another option might be to look at the regular home office deduction rather than the Augusta Rule. If you're using a space exclusively and regularly for business storage, you can deduct that percentage of your home expenses (mortgage interest, utilities, etc.). For example, if the storage area is 10% of your home's square footage, you can deduct 10% of those expenses. This might actually be more beneficial than trying to charge your business a "rental fee" under Section 280A(g).

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Zane Hernandez

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Thanks for this perspective! One question though - does the storage area need to be COMPLETELY exclusive to inventory? Like, I keep most of my supplies in plastic bins that are stacked against one wall of the spare bedroom. The room is maybe 200 sq ft total, but the storage probably only takes up about 40 sq ft. Can I deduct just that portion?

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Debra Bai

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The general rule is that the space needs to be used exclusively for business, but there's a special exception for inventory storage. If you're selling products as your business (which you are), and your home is the only fixed location of that business, you can deduct the space used for inventory storage even if it's part of a room. In your specific case, you could potentially deduct the 40 sq ft used for storage, not the entire 200 sq ft room. You'd calculate what percentage that 40 sq ft is of your entire home's square footage. So if your home is 2,000 sq ft total, you'd be deducting 2% (40 รท 2,000) of your eligible home expenses.

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Gabriel Freeman

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The confusion here seems to be mixing up two different tax concepts. The Augusta Rule (280A(g)) lets you rent your WHOLE home to your business for up to 14 days tax-free. This is great for business meetings, photo shoots, training events, etc. For ONGOING storage, you want the home office deduction specifically for inventory storage (different part of tax code). You can claim the actual space used even if the room isn't exclusively for business. I made this mistake and got flagged for audit! Don't try to use the Augusta Rule for year-round storage - it won't fly with the IRS.

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Laura Lopez

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Can you do both in the same year though? Like use regular home office deduction for the storage space, but also use Augusta Rule to rent your living room to your business for a few days for meetings?

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Carmen Sanchez

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Have you looked into whether your Dutch investments might qualify for treaty benefits? The US-Netherlands tax treaty has some provisions that could help. For example, certain Dutch investment products might qualify for special treatment that effectively eliminates double taxation. Also check if you qualify for the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion (Form 2555) as an alternative to the Foreign Tax Credit route. Sometimes that's simpler and might give you a better outcome depending on your specific situation.

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MoonlightSonata

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Thanks for mentioning the treaty! I'll look into that. Regarding the FEIE, my accountant originally suggested using Foreign Tax Credits instead because the Dutch tax rates are higher than US rates, so I'd potentially get more benefit from the credits. Does that sound right, or should I reconsider using the FEIE?

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Carmen Sanchez

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Your accountant's reasoning about FTC vs FEIE is generally sound. When foreign tax rates are higher than US rates, the Foreign Tax Credit usually provides better results since it directly offsets your US tax liability dollar-for-dollar and can generate excess credits to carry forward. However, there's a potential hybrid approach worth considering: use the FEIE for your employment income and then use FTC for your investment income. This sometimes creates a more favorable tax situation, especially when dealing with the basketing limitations. The key advantage is that by excluding your earned income entirely from US taxation with the FEIE, the remaining investment income might fall into lower tax brackets, potentially reducing your overall US tax liability.

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Andre Dupont

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Has anyone successfully used the Streamlined Foreign Offshore Procedures while dealing with this Form 1116 basketing issue? I'm also a dual citizen (US/German) with a similar situation, and I'm worried about making mistakes that might invalidate my streamlined submission.

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Zoe Papadakis

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Yes, I completed streamlined last year with this exact issue. The key is to be consistent across all three tax years you're filing. Make sure your approach to categorizing income in the different baskets follows the same methodology for each year. In my certification statement (Form 14653), I specifically mentioned that I was uncertain about certain aspects of Form 1116 basketing but had made good faith efforts to comply based on my understanding of the rules. The IRS accepted my submission without any questions.

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Caden Turner

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Something everyone's missing - you should check if you can get your wage info from the Social Security Administration! They get wage reports from employers throughout the year. Create an account at ssa.gov and look at your earnings record. You might be able to see what was reported for last year. Also, if you know roughly what you made and what was withheld (from paystubs or bank deposits), you can estimate. The IRS is generally understanding in situations like this where the employer failed you. Document EVERYTHING though, especially your attempts to get the W-2.

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Sunny Wang

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Thank you so much for this suggestion! I didn't know the SSA would have that information. Do they show the tax withholding amounts too or just the total income? And how quickly does that information get updated?

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Caden Turner

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The SSA only shows your total earnings, not the withholding amounts. So it will help confirm your income, but you'll still need to estimate your federal and state tax withholding from the pay stubs you have. It typically gets updated a few months after the end of each quarter, so there might be some lag. But it's a good way to verify your total earnings when you don't have complete records. Even partial confirmation is better than nothing when you're filing a substitute W-2 form.

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McKenzie Shade

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can't u just get the transcript from irs directly? go to irs.gov and make an account and request ur wage & income transcript. it has all the info from w2 and most 1099s submitted under ur SSN. i've used this before when my employer messed up.

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Harmony Love

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This is definitely an option, but there can be a significant delay. W-2s aren't required to be filed with the IRS until January 31st, and then it takes time for them to be processed and appear in your transcript. If the company closed and never filed them at all (which sounds possible in OP's case), they won't show up at all.

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Giovanni Greco

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Just to add some practical advice to this thread - make sure you're using the right forms for your situation. You'll need Schedule C for the business losses, Form 4684 for casualty losses, and Form 5329 for the early distribution from your retirement account. Also, consider if you had this organized as a sole proprietorship or if you set up an LLC/corporation, as that affects how you'll report everything.

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Fatima Al-Farsi

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Would it be better to file as a Schedule C business loss or just take the casualty loss directly? Does it make a difference tax-wise? I'm in a sorta similar situation with my small side business.

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Giovanni Greco

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You'll definitely want to file Schedule C to report all your business income and expenses, including the equipment that was destroyed. The casualty loss is reported on Form 4684, but since these were business assets, the loss ultimately flows to your Schedule C. Filing the business loss on Schedule C is generally more advantageous than taking a personal casualty loss because personal casualty losses are highly restricted under current tax law (only federally declared disasters qualify). Business casualty losses don't have these same limitations and can offset your other income.

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Dylan Wright

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Has anyone dealt with a similar situation where the business never actually generated any income before the disaster? I've heard the IRS might consider it a hobby rather than a business if you never made any money. Would that change how these losses can be deducted?

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Sofia Torres

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The key difference between a hobby and a business isn't whether you made money yet, but whether you had a reasonable expectation of making a profit and were operating it in a businesslike manner. Plenty of legitimate businesses have losses in their first year or even several years.

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