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I used to work for a federal agency that issued cooperative agreements and JVAs. What's probably happening is that the agency is classifying your payment as a "cooperative agreement payment" rather than "contractor compensation" in their system. Federal accounting is weird like that. But here's the important part - this is THEIR classification for THEIR accounting purposes. For YOU, it's still income you received for services rendered, which means it's reportable on your Schedule C. Don't let their internal accounting categories affect how you report your income.
Thank you so much for this insider perspective! That makes a lot of sense. I've been keeping all my bank statements, invoices, and copies of the joint venture agreement, so I should have good documentation. I'll go ahead and report it all on my Schedule C as normal self-employment income. Do you think I should also include a note or explanation somewhere on my tax return about why there's no matching 1099-NEC for this income?
You're welcome! Glad I could provide some clarity from the federal side. I wouldn't add a separate explanation to your tax return - there's no good place for that kind of note anyway. However, when you complete Schedule C, there is a question that asks if you received all required Forms 1099. You can answer "No" to that question, which is sufficient. Just make sure you keep all your documentation organized in case of questions later.
Has anyone else noticed that when working with federal agencies, they often have totally different terminology and procedures than private sector clients? I did a project with USDA last year and they kept referring to my payments as "cost share reimbursements" even though I was clearly a contractor. Tax time was a nightmare!
OMG yes! I worked with the EPA on a water quality project and they called me a "cooperating technical advisor" instead of a contractor. But when I asked about taxes they just said "consult your tax professional" which wasn't helpful at all. Government speak is like a whole different language sometimes.
I've used TurboTax for about 15 years now, including through marriage, home purchase, kids, etc. Here's my take: For most situations, TurboTax is actually pretty accurate and reliable. Their questionnaire-based approach catches most common deductions and credits. That said, there are a few things to watch for: 1) The software pushes their paid add-ons HARD (audit protection, MAX benefits, etc). Most people don't need these. 2) Always double-check your entries, especially withholding amounts from W-2s (Box 2 federal withholding is commonly mistyped). 3) If your refund seems suspiciously large, go through the "deductions & credits" section again to make sure you didn't claim something incorrectly. 4) For first-time homebuyers with mortgage interest and property taxes, a jump in refund amount IS normal if you now itemize instead of taking the standard deduction.
How do you handle student loan interest in TurboTax? My wife and I both have loans but I think there's an income limit for the deduction?
TurboTax handles student loan interest pretty well automatically if you enter the information from your 1098-E forms. You're right that there are income limits - the deduction starts phasing out at a modified adjusted gross income of $145,000 for married filing jointly and eliminates completely at $175,000. The nice thing is that TurboTax will calculate this phase-out automatically based on your income entries. Just make sure you've entered the 1098-E information correctly, and if you're near the income threshold, you can actually see the calculation change in real-time if you go into the tax forms view. It's an "above-the-line" deduction so you can take it even if you don't itemize.
Has anyone compared TurboTax to other tax software? This is my first year with similar circumstances (marriage + mortgage) and I'm trying to decide between TurboTax, H&R Block, and FreeTaxUSA.
I've used all three over the past few years. TurboTax has the slickest interface but charges for everything. FreeTaxUSA does everything TurboTax does for federal returns but charges only $15 for state. H&R Block is somewhere in between price-wise. For complex situations with multiple credits, I found TurboTax and H&R Block had slightly better explanations, but FreeTaxUSA got me the same refund amount for a lot less money. All three are accurate in my experience.
TurboTax pulls this crap EVERY YEAR! They're trying to make it seem like everyone needs to file quarterly estimated taxes. My theory is they want to scare people into thinking taxes are more complicated than they are so you'll keep using their service. I switched to FreeTaxUSA this year and it asked clearly if I wanted to generate estimated payment vouchers instead of just doing it automatically. Saved like $80 too. TurboTax is getting worse every year, I swear.
Does FreeTaxUSA handle state taxes too? I've been wanting to switch from TurboTax but I have a somewhat complicated return with multiple state filings.
Yes, FreeTaxUSA handles multiple state returns! Federal filing is completely free for any tax situation (unlike TurboTax's bait and switch), and each state return is only like $15. I had to file in two states this year because I moved, and it was super straightforward. Their interface isn't as pretty as TurboTax, but it asks all the same questions and found the same deductions. Honestly felt like it explained things more clearly too.
Just my 2 cents, but even tho u don't technically need 2 file an amended return, u might want to check if TurboTax charged u extra for setting up those vouchers. I got hit with a $35 fee for "advanced tax planning features" when this happened to me, but had no idea until I looked at my receipt later. They bury these charges in the final bill sometimes.
Omg yes!! I just checked my TurboTax receipt and they charged me an extra $25 for "Tax Planning Plus" which I never asked for! How do you even get that refunded?
Bit of a different perspective - I'm an accountant who works with a lot of gig workers. For just $400, honestly, you're going to pay more for tax software or professional help than you might owe in taxes. Keep good records, track income and expenses, but don't stress too much until you're making more substantial money.
I've been wondering about this too. What level of income would you say justifies paying for professional tax help vs doing it myself for freelance teaching?
Muhammad Hobbs
One thing nobody has mentioned yet - have you considered just keeping the money in the Roth IRA and paying the excise tax? If your investments have grown significantly (especially during the 2020-2023 bull market), it might be worth just paying the 6% penalty. The reason is that Roth IRA growth is tax-free forever if you wait until retirement age. So if you're young and the account has decades to grow, you might actually come out ahead mathematically by paying the penalty and keeping the tax-free growth vehicle. You'd still need to file Form 5329 for each year and pay the penalties, but you wouldn't withdraw the funds. Just something to consider alongside the other options.
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Kiara Greene
ā¢That's an interesting perspective I hadn't considered. My investments have actually done pretty well - they're up about 40% since I made the contributions. But wouldn't I continue accruing the 6% penalty EVERY year going forward as long as the excess contributions remain in the account? That seems like it would eat away all the gains eventually.
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Muhammad Hobbs
ā¢You're absolutely right about the continuing 6% penalty - I should have been clearer. The 6% excise tax continues each year until you either withdraw the excess contribution or until you have sufficient earned income in a future year to "absorb" the previous excess contribution. So if you plan to stay in the US after graduation and will have earned income later, you could potentially "absorb" these past contributions against future years' contribution limits. But if you don't expect to have US earned income, then yes, the penalty would continue indefinitely and probably isn't worth it.
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Noland Curtis
Have you considered speaking to your brokerage firm? I had a similar issue with excess contributions and my brokerage (Fidelity) had a specific department that handled excess contribution removals. They calculated the attributable earnings for me and could process the removal in a way that was properly coded for the IRS. Also, don't forget that if you're using the money for qualified education expenses as you mentioned, you might qualify for an exception to the 10% early withdrawal penalty on any earnings (though you'd still owe income tax on those earnings). This is separate from the 6% excise tax issue, but could help reduce the overall financial impact.
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Diez Ellis
ā¢This is good advice. I work at a brokerage (not naming which one) and we help with this all the time. The key is asking specifically for the "excess contribution removal department" or sometimes called "retirement tax services." Regular customer service reps might not know the proper procedure.
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