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I'm a business owner who implemented a CRUT strategy a few years ago. Here's my practical experience: 1) Yes, the charitable remainder is non-negotiable. That's literally why these vehicles exist. 2) What you CAN control: payout rate (higher means more to you, less to charity), term length, and investment strategy within the trust. 3) Consider using a family foundation as the charitable remainder beneficiary. You don't maintain control of the assets personally, but you can direct the foundation's charitable activities into areas you care about. 4) Run a proper NPV (net present value) calculation comparing the tax savings now versus the future value of what goes to charity. In many cases, the math works out favorably even with the charitable component. Good tax planning isn't about avoiding all charitable giving - it's about making informed choices that align with your priorities while legally minimizing tax burden.

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Caleb Bell

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Could you elaborate on point 3? I'm not familiar with how a family foundation would work as the charitable beneficiary. Would you still effectively "lose" the money, or can family members somehow benefit from the foundation?

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Happy to elaborate. A family foundation is still a legitimate charity - the assets irrevocably leave your personal control and must be used for charitable purposes. However, family members can serve as board members/trustees and direct the foundation's charitable activities. For example, if you care about education, your foundation could fund scholarships or educational programs. You can't use it to directly benefit family members (like paying for your kids' college), but you can focus on causes you care about, potentially hire family members to run it (with reasonable compensation), and create a family legacy through the charitable work. The assets are still permanently devoted to charity, but you have influence over how they're used for charitable purposes.

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Has anyone considered using a Charitable Lead Annuity Trust (CLAT) instead? If structured properly, it could potentially allow excess returns above the 7520 rate to eventually return to family members after the charitable term. Might be closer to what OP is looking for.

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Rhett Bowman

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CLATs are an interesting alternative worth exploring. With a CLAT, charity gets payments for a specified term, and whatever's left goes to your non-charitable beneficiaries. If investments outperform the IRS assumed rate, you can potentially transfer significant assets to heirs with reduced gift/estate taxes. It doesn't provide the income stream a CRUT does though, so depends on whether OP needs ongoing income or is more focused on eventual wealth transfer.

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StarSailor}

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I have a sorta dumb question... if your daughter files taxes for her 1099 work, does that automatically disqualify her from being your dependent? My son insists he needs to file for his small gig income but I'm worried it'll mess up my ability to claim him.

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Miguel Silva

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No, her filing taxes doesn't automatically disqualify her as your dependent. As long as she meets all the tests (income under the limit, you providing more than half support, etc.), she can still be your dependent even while filing her own return. In fact, she SHOULD file for her 1099 work even if you claim her as a dependent - she's required to if her self-employment income is over $400 because of Social Security/Medicare taxes. She just needs to check the box that says "Someone can claim you as a dependent" on her return.

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Don't overthink this one - your daughter clearly qualifies as your dependent under the qualifying relative rules. I went through this exact situation with my son. As long as you're paying for more than half her support (rent, food, utilities, etc.) and her income stays under that ~$4,700 limit, you're good to go. The student status only matters for the qualifying child test, which she aged out of at 19. This is a pretty straightforward case.

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ThunderBolt7

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I'm a little late to this discussion, but for what it's worth, I had this exact situation a few years ago. When I took my 1099-R with Code J to my tax preparer, she knew exactly what to do. She entered it as a rollover/transfer on Form 1040, which meant it showed up on the tax return but wasn't counted as taxable income. One thing to remember is to keep all your documentation for at least 3 years after filing. Even though the IRS systems usually match these things up correctly, having your merger paperwork and account statements showing the transfer can be important if there's ever a question.

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Did your tax preparer need to see the 5498 form, or were they able to process everything with just the 1099-R and the documentation showing the transfer/merger?

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ThunderBolt7

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My tax preparer didn't need the 5498 form at all. She was able to process everything correctly with just the 1099-R and my documentation showing the transfer happened because of the merger. She told me that tax preparers are very familiar with this situation and know exactly how to code it properly in the tax software. The 5498 forms are more for record-keeping and verification if the IRS has questions later, but they aren't necessary for preparing and filing an accurate return.

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Quick question - does anyone know if TurboTax handles this situation well? I got a similar 1099-R with Code J for a rollover and want to make sure I'm doing it right.

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Mei Chen

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I used TurboTax last year for this exact scenario. It definitely handles it, but you need to make sure you answer the questions correctly. When it asks about your 1099-R, there's a specific question about whether you rolled over the distribution into another qualified retirement account. Make sure you say YES to that question, and it'll treat it as non-taxable. It'll also ask you to enter the amount rolled over, which should be the full amount from the 1099-R in your case.

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Have you considered taking a 401k loan instead of a withdrawal? Most 401k plans allow you to borrow up to 50% of your vested balance (max $50,000) without any tax consequences as long as you repay it according to the terms. You'd be paying interest to yourself, and there's no credit check since you're essentially borrowing your own money. The downside is you'd need to repay the loan within 5 years in most cases, and if you leave your job before repaying it, the outstanding balance typically becomes due within 60-90 days or it's treated as a distribution (with taxes and penalties). I took a 401k loan last year rather than an early withdrawal and it saved me thousands in taxes and penalties. Just something to consider before permanently removing money from your retirement savings.

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Thanks for this suggestion. I actually looked into the loan option with my plan administrator yesterday. They do offer loans but only up to $50k as you mentioned, and I need about $95k for my situation. I also have concerns about the repayment terms since my job situation isn't 100% stable right now. Do you know if it's possible to do a combination approach - maybe take the maximum loan of $50k and then do a withdrawal for the remaining amount I need? Would that at least minimize the tax hit compared to withdrawing the full amount?

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Yes, you can absolutely use a combination approach. Taking the maximum loan of $50k and then withdrawing the additional $45k you need would definitely minimize your overall tax hit and penalties. With this approach, the $50k loan would have no immediate tax consequences as long as you make the required payments. Then only the $45k withdrawal would be subject to the pro-rata rule for determining how much is considered contributions versus earnings (and thus how much would be subject to taxes and the 10% early withdrawal penalty).

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Just wanted to point out a less-known option - check if your 401k plan allows for hardship withdrawals. These still have taxes on earnings and potentially the 10% penalty, but they're available for specific circumstances like preventing eviction/foreclosure, certain medical expenses, college tuition, or home purchase. The advantage is that hardship withdrawals don't require repayment like loans do. Some plans also allow for withdrawals at age 55 without penalty if you separate from service - something to consider if you're closer to that age than 59½.

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Adding to this - if your need is COVID-related, check if your plan still offers any CARES Act withdrawal provisions. Some plans extended these options. These special withdrawals allow for spreading the income taxes over three years and waive the 10% early withdrawal penalty.

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Mei Chen

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I've been using this exact structure (C-Corp + S-Corp) for 3 years now in my manufacturing business. Here's my experience: The key is making sure the consulting agreement is DETAILED and the S-Corp is providing real, documentable services. I have my S-Corp handle all executive management, marketing strategy, financial oversight, and business development. We keep detailed logs of hours, projects, and deliverables. The IRS did question this in a correspondence audit last year. What saved me was having: 1) A third-party compensation study showing my consulting rates were reasonable 2) Detailed work documentation and deliverables 3) Separate physical locations, email systems, and business operations Also important: Don't have the EXACT same ownership percentages in both entities. Mine are slightly different (I have a minority partner in the C-Corp but not the S-Corp).

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How much did that third-party compensation study cost? And did you have a tax attorney help set all this up or did you DIY it? Seems like a lot of complexity just to avoid some taxes.

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Mei Chen

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The compensation study cost about $3,500, but was worth every penny when the IRS came calling. I did have a tax attorney help set everything up initially - cost around $8,000 for all the documentation, agreements, and structure. Yes, it's not cheap upfront, but I've saved well into six figures in taxes over three years. It's not just about tax savings though. The structure actually makes business sense for us - the C-Corp focuses on production and operations while the S-Corp handles strategy and growth initiatives. Having the separation has helped us clarify roles and responsibilities within the company.

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Has anyone considered the state tax implications of this setup? I did something similar and while it worked fine for federal, my state (CA) has additional rules about related entities that nearly negated all the benefits.

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I'm in NY and ran into similar issues. The state was much more aggressive in challenging our management fee structure than the feds were. Ended up having to restructure everything after a state audit that disallowed most of our inter-company transactions.

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