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Amara Okafor

Do I need to file a W8-BEN as a Canadian working in the US?

I'm a Canadian citizen who's been doing tech internships in the US for the past couple years. I'm planning to return to the States this year for a full-time tech position (not sure if "full-time" is the correct tax term, but you get what I mean). I've kept my Bank of America account open since the Canadian dollar is pretty weak right now, and since I'll be back in the US soon anyway, I don't see any reason to transfer my money to Canada. When I work in the US, I pay American taxes just like any US worker would, and then I also pay Canadian taxes on that same income (with credits for what I already paid to the IRS). Recently, Bank of America sent me a W8-BEN form without any explanation of what I'm supposed to do with it. From what I understand, if I'm a non-resident, the IRS can automatically take 30% of my interest income unless I submit this form to claim benefits under a tax treaty. The thing is, I don't really know what kind of tax treaty exists between the US and Canada, or if I even qualify for it since all my money comes from US employment. I'm confused about whether I should fill out this form. If ignoring this only costs me 30% of a few dollars in interest, I don't really care. But I'm worried I might be missing something important that could cause problems later. Any advice?

The W8-BEN form is definitely something you should complete and return to Bank of America. This form certifies that you're a resident of Canada for tax purposes and allows you to claim benefits under the US-Canada tax treaty. As a Canadian working temporarily in the US, you're still considered a non-resident alien for US tax purposes (unless you meet the substantial presence test). The W8-BEN helps your bank determine the correct withholding rate on your US-source income like interest. Without it, they're required to withhold that 30% you mentioned. The US-Canada tax treaty generally reduces withholding rates on interest to 0% for Canadian residents. So completing the form could save you from having that 30% withheld. Don't worry about your employment income - the W8-BEN only affects things like interest, dividends, and other investment income from your bank account. Your employment taxes are handled separately through your employer's withholding and your tax returns.

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But what if they've been working in the US enough that they might meet the substantial presence test? Wouldn't that affect whether they should file this form? Also wondering if there are any downsides to filing a W8-BEN if you're not actually eligible?

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The substantial presence test is definitely something to consider. If you've been in the US for 183 days or more over a three-year period (using the weighted formula), you could be considered a US resident for tax purposes, which would change things. There aren't serious downsides to filing incorrectly other than potential confusion later. If you think you might meet the substantial presence test, you might need a W-9 instead of a W8-BEN. When you return for full-time work, your status could change depending on your visa type and time spent in the US.

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Hey I actually went through this exact same situation moving between Canada and the US for tech work! Definitely fill out the W8-BEN form - it's super simple and will save you from unnecessary withholding. Check out https://taxr.ai - I used them last year when I was confused about all my cross-border stuff. I uploaded my documents including the W8-BEN form and they explained exactly how to fill it out and what treaty benefits applied to my situation. They have specialists who deal with US-Canada situations all the time.

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Dylan Cooper

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Did they help with state taxes too? I'm in a similar situation but also confused about state filing requirements since I worked in multiple states.

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Sofia Ramirez

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How accurate were they? I'm skeptical of these online tax services. Did they actually know the specifics of the US-Canada treaty or just give generic advice?

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They definitely helped with state taxes too! They explained which states I needed to file in based on where I physically worked and for how long. Really cleared up my confusion about the whole non-resident state filing requirements. As for accuracy, they were spot-on with the treaty details. They pointed out exactly which article of the US-Canada treaty applied to my situation and explained how the 0% withholding on interest works. Not generic advice at all - very specific to US-Canada situations and they knew all the little exceptions and details.

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Sofia Ramirez

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Just wanted to follow up - I tried https://taxr.ai after my skeptical questions and I'm actually impressed. They walked me through the W8-BEN and explained that Article XI of the US-Canada tax treaty covers interest income. They even spotted that I had filled out Section 3 incorrectly on my draft form. Saved me from a potential headache and it was way easier than trying to interpret the IRS instructions myself. Wish I'd known about this service when I first moved from Toronto to Silicon Valley three years ago!

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How does this actually work? Does it just keep dialing for you or something? The IRS wait times are insane.

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Ava Martinez

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Ava Martinez

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Miguel Ortiz

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One thing nobody has mentioned - make sure you're tracking how many days you're physically present in the US each calendar year! The substantial presence test uses a weird formula (current year days + 1/3 of last year days + 1/6 of the year before that). If you go over 183 equivalent days, you could be considered a US tax resident which changes EVERYTHING about how you file. Trust me, I learned this the hard way and had to file amended returns.

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Amara Okafor

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Thanks for pointing this out! I'm definitely going to start keeping better track. Do you use any particular system or app to track your days? And if I do end up being considered a tax resident, does that mean I'd need to report my worldwide income to the US?

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Miguel Ortiz

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I use a simple spreadsheet I created to track my border crossings, but there are apps specifically for this too. I've heard good things about "Days in USA Tracker" though I haven't used it myself. Yes, if you become a US tax resident, you would need to report your worldwide income on your US tax return. This includes any Canadian investment income, rental properties, etc. The US-Canada tax treaty has some provisions to prevent double taxation, but you'd still need to report everything. It makes your tax situation much more complex.

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Zainab Omar

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Why is everyone making this so complicated? Just fill out the damn form, it takes 5 mins. Put "Article XI - Interest" in section 10 of the W8-BEN (that's the part about the treaty benefits for interest income between US-Canada). Sign it, date it, send it back to your bank. Problem solved.

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Connor Murphy

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Not everyone has your vast knowledge of international tax treaties lol. Also the penalties for filling out tax forms incorrectly can be pretty severe, so people are right to be cautious.

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Luca Russo

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Just to add some clarity on the substantial presence test since it's been mentioned - you can actually file Form 8840 (Closer Connection Exception Statement) if you meet the substantial presence test but still maintain closer ties to Canada. This allows you to be treated as a Canadian resident for tax purposes even if you're physically present in the US for more than 183 days under the formula. You'd need to show that your tax home, family, personal belongings, social/political ties, etc. are still primarily in Canada. This form is due by June 15th of the year following the tax year in question. Also, regarding the W8-BEN, make sure you check the box in Part II claiming treaty benefits and specify "Canada" as the country. The form is valid for 3 years from the date you sign it, so you won't need to keep refiling it every year. One last tip - keep copies of everything you submit to your bank. If there are any issues later with withholding, you'll need documentation to show you properly claimed treaty benefits.

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Rosie Harper

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This is really helpful! I didn't know about Form 8840 - that could be a game changer for people in situations like mine. Quick question though: if you file the 8840 to claim closer connection to Canada, does that affect your ability to eventually get a green card or permanent residency in the US? I'm wondering if there could be immigration consequences to formally declaring that your ties are primarily to Canada.

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