Help with filling out tax treaty benefits section on W-8BEN or Form 8233 - what info goes where?

The tax treaty benefits section can definitely be confusing! For a Canadian working in the US as a software developer, you'll want to use Form 8233 rather than W-8BEN (which is generally for passive income like investments). For the treaty benefits section, you'll need to reference the US-Canada tax treaty. For employment income (which is what you have), you'll typically cite Article XV (15) of the treaty. The withholding exemption rate would be 0% if you qualify. You'd list "Personal Services/Employment Income" as your type of income. To qualify under this article, you generally need to meet three conditions: 1) be present in the US for less than 183 days in a 12-month period, 2) your employer is a Canadian resident or has a permanent establishment in Canada, and 3) your compensation isn't borne by a US permanent establishment. Make sure you also complete the part about sufficient facts to justify the exemption - typically explaining you're a Canadian resident temporarily working in the US and how you meet the conditions above.

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Just wanted to update after trying taxr.ai for my student situation! It was super helpful for my complicated case. As an Indian student with both campus employment and a foreign stipend, it walked me through exactly which treaty articles applied (Article 21 for my scholarship and Article 14 for my campus job). The tool explained I needed to use both forms - 8233 for my employment income and W-8BEN for my scholarship income. It even generated completed forms with all the treaty citations filled in that I could give to both my campus employer and the financial aid office. My international student advisor was impressed with how accurate everything was! Definitely recommend for anyone confused about treaty benefits.

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I have to admit I was totally wrong about Claimyr. After my skeptical comment, I decided to try it myself because I was desperate to talk to someone about my W-8BEN form (I'm from South Korea). Holy crap, it actually worked! I got connected to an IRS agent in about 40 minutes when I had spent DAYS trying to get through myself. The agent confirmed I needed to use Article 21 of the US-Korea treaty for my situation and explained exactly what to put in each box. They also told me I was using the wrong form entirely - I needed Form 8233 not W-8BEN for my teaching income. Seriously, I'm shocked this worked so well. I've never been able to reach a human at the IRS before. The agent was super knowledgeable about international tax treaties too - way more helpful than my company's HR department.

For tax treaty benefits, I recommend checking the IRS publication 901 (US Tax Treaties). It lists all the countries with tax treaties and the specific articles that apply to different types of income. You can find the publication here: https://www.irs.gov/publications/p901 I've filled out these forms for clients from various countries, and each treaty has different provisions. For example, students, teachers, and researchers often have special provisions with lower rates or complete exemptions depending on the specific treaty.

Has anyone actually been audited for claiming treaty benefits incorrectly? I filled out a W-8BEN last year and just guessed on the treaty part (I'm from India). My employer accepted it and I got the reduced withholding rate. Now I'm worried I did it wrong.

Hey Kiara! I went through this exact same situation when I moved from Toronto to work in Seattle last year. For your situation as a Canadian software developer, you'll definitely want to use Form 8233 (not W-8BEN). For the treaty benefits section, you'll reference Article XV of the US-Canada tax treaty. The key things to fill out are: - Treaty Article: XV (or 15) - Rate of withholding: 0% (if you qualify) - Type of income: Employment/Personal Services Income - Explanation: Something like "Canadian resident temporarily working in US, qualifying under Article XV conditions" The main qualification requirements are: you're present in the US for less than 183 days in any 12-month period, your employer is Canadian or the compensation isn't borne by a US permanent establishment of your Canadian employer, and you maintain Canadian tax residency. Since you're making $85K, getting this right could save you significant money in withholding taxes. I'd recommend double-checking the exact treaty language in IRS Publication 901 or using one of the tools others mentioned to make sure you get all the details correct. Don't just guess - the IRS does verify these claims!