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As someone who's dealt with this exact issue multiple times, I can confirm that a $140+ fraction of cents adjustment is definitely not normal and indicates a systematic error somewhere in your calculations. The good news is that you've already identified the root cause by finding the discrepancy in your February deposit ($58,435 vs $58,294.81). Here's what I'd recommend as your next steps: First, go through every single deposit on Schedule B and compare it to your actual EFTPS payment history - don't just spot check. Second, verify that your Schedule B is reporting tax LIABILITY by pay date, not deposit amounts or deposit dates. These are often confused. Third, if you have employees hitting the Social Security wage base ($160,200 for 2023), double-check that withholding stopped at exactly the right amount mid-quarter. The fraction of cents line should only account for rounding differences when you calculate tax liability per employee vs. the aggregate. Once you fix the Schedule B errors, that $140 should disappear almost entirely. Don't submit until you've tracked down every significant discrepancy - the IRS computers will flag unusual adjustments and it's much easier to fix now than deal with correspondence later.

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This is incredibly helpful - thank you for the step-by-step breakdown! I'm definitely going to work through each of these systematically. The distinction between tax liability by pay date vs deposit amounts/dates is something I need to clarify with our accounting team, as I suspect that might be part of our confusion. One quick question: when you say "don't submit until you've tracked down every significant discrepancy" - what would you consider significant? Should I be concerned about differences under $10, or are you talking about larger amounts like the $140+ discrepancy we found?

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GamerGirl99

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For Form 941 purposes, I'd focus on discrepancies over $5-10 per deposit when reviewing Schedule B. Small differences under that amount could be legitimate rounding or timing differences. However, when those small discrepancies add up across multiple pay periods, they can create a larger cumulative error. The key is that your total Schedule B should match your actual tax liability for the quarter, and your deposits should reasonably approximate that liability (within the safe harbor rules). If you're finding multiple discrepancies like that $140+ difference in February, definitely track down each one. A few dollars here and there might be acceptable, but when you're seeing adjustments over $100, it usually means there are several underlying errors that need correction. Also remember that the IRS penalty safe harbors are based on timely deposits of the correct amounts - so getting Schedule B right isn't just about the fraction of cents line, it's about avoiding deposit penalties too.

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Evelyn Kim

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I've been following this thread and wanted to add another potential cause I've encountered - check if your payroll system is handling state unemployment insurance (SUI) wage bases correctly. Some payroll systems incorrectly include SUI adjustments in federal tax calculations, especially when employees hit state-specific wage base limits that differ from federal limits. Also, if you're using a third-party payroll processor, they sometimes make "correcting" entries that don't get properly reflected in your 941 calculations. I'd recommend requesting a detailed payroll tax reconciliation report from them that shows exactly how they calculated each tax component for the quarter. One more thing - make sure you're not double-counting any year-end adjustments or corrections that might have carried over from Q4 of last year. Sometimes accounting departments make manual adjustments that create phantom discrepancies in subsequent quarters.

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Diego Vargas

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This is really valuable insight about the SUI wage base issues - I hadn't considered that our payroll system might be mixing state and federal calculations. We do use ADP for payroll processing, and I'm now wondering if some of their automated adjustments are creating these discrepancies without us realizing it. I'll definitely request that detailed tax reconciliation report you mentioned. Do you know specifically what to ask for from ADP? I want to make sure I get the right report that shows the federal tax calculations broken down by component. Also, your point about year-end adjustments carrying over is interesting - we did have some W-2 corrections from last year that required amended forms. I should check if any of those corrections are somehow affecting this quarter's calculations.

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I completely understand your frustration - the waiting game with a procrastinating spouse on taxes is absolutely maddening, especially when you've been ready since February! Just to add to what others have said about the risks of filing separately then amending - the IRS computer systems don't handle filing status changes very smoothly. When you amend from MFS to MFJ, it often triggers manual review, which can delay your refund by months or even over a year. I've seen cases where people actually got their amended refund AFTER the next year's refund because of processing delays. One thing that might help right now - if your main goal is getting cash flow, have you considered asking your husband to at least gather his 1099s so you can estimate his income? You could file an extension with an estimated payment, then use a tax refund advance loan from a reputable tax prep company based on your portion of the expected joint refund. This gets you money now without the complications of changing filing status. The nuclear option is giving him an ultimatum with a specific date - like "we're going to a tax pro on [date] with whatever records you have, organized or not." Sometimes external accountability is what it takes to break the procrastination cycle.

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This is such solid advice! The nuclear option especially resonates with me. I've been in this exact situation and sometimes you just have to set a hard deadline and stick to it. One thing I'd add - when you do give that ultimatum, make the appointment with the tax pro yourself and tell your husband "we're going on [date] at [time], with or without organized records." Don't leave any wiggle room for him to delay further by saying he needs more time to organize things. The tax professional can work with whatever mess he brings - they've literally seen it all. My husband once showed up with receipts in a grocery bag and statements printed from his phone screenshots. The accountant just rolled with it and we still got everything filed on time.

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Arnav Bengali

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I feel your pain so much - I went through this exact same nightmare last year! My husband's "filing system" was literally receipts stuffed in his glove compartment and random notebooks with illegible expense scribbles. Here's what I learned the hard way: filing separately then amending to joint later sounds simple in theory, but the IRS systems really aren't designed for it. When I tried this approach, my amended return got stuck in manual processing for 8 months because the computer couldn't reconcile why we suddenly qualified for credits we hadn't claimed initially. What finally worked for us was a combination approach - I made an appointment with a tax pro and told my husband "we're going Tuesday at 2pm, bring whatever records you have." Then I used one of those tax tools mentioned earlier (TaxR.ai) to at least get his bank statements organized beforehand so we weren't starting from complete chaos. The tax pro was able to work with his messy records and we actually discovered some deductions he would have missed entirely. Yes, it cost us $500, but we saved over $3,000 compared to what we would have lost filing separately, plus no amendment headaches. Sometimes you just have to take control of the situation instead of waiting for them to get their act together. Your sanity and financial well-being matter too!

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Olivia Harris

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This is exactly the kind of real-world advice I needed to hear! I think I've been too worried about hurting his feelings or seeming controlling, but you're right - my sanity and our family's financial situation matter too. I'm definitely going to try the "make the appointment and tell him we're going" approach. The idea of using TaxR.ai to at least get his bank statements organized beforehand is brilliant - that way we're not walking in completely empty-handed and wasting the tax pro's time (and our money) just sorting through chaos. It's reassuring to hear that even with messy records, the professional was able to find deductions your husband missed. That alone probably paid for their fee! I keep telling myself that $500 for a tax pro is way better than losing thousands in credits or dealing with amendment delays for months. Thanks for sharing your experience - it really helps to know I'm not the only one dealing with a husband who treats tax season like an optional suggestion rather than a legal requirement!

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Ella Cofer

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I just called FreeTaxUSA support about this exact issue. They told me there's a way to handle multiple localities even though the interface makes it seem impossible. After you enter your W-2 with the first locality, save it and go back to your W-2 list. Then click on "Edit" for that W-2, and you should see an option at the bottom for "Add another local tax withholding." It's super easy to miss, but it's there!

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Ellie Kim

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OMG THANK YOU!! I just found it! It was hiding at the very bottom of the edit screen like you said. I never would have seen it without looking specifically for it. This solves my whole problem!

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Great to see this got resolved! For anyone else dealing with similar multi-city tax situations, I'd also recommend double-checking your final tax calculations before submitting. Even when you enter multiple localities correctly in FreeTaxUSA, sometimes the software doesn't automatically apply available credits for taxes paid to multiple jurisdictions. I learned this the hard way last year - I was entitled to a credit for paying duplicate local taxes but had to manually add it in the "Other Credits" section. Your city tax departments (if you can reach them) or a local tax preparer can help verify if you qualify for any credits to avoid overpaying. The multiple locality feature in FreeTaxUSA works well once you find it, but it's definitely one of those hidden features that should be more prominent in the interface!

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Lim Wong

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This is such helpful advice! I wish I had known about checking for credits before filing last year. I definitely paid taxes to both my work city and home city without realizing I might have been entitled to a credit. Is there a way to go back and amend my return to claim those credits, or am I out of luck for last year? I want to make sure I don't make the same mistake this year.

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Has anyone successfully gotten a private letter ruling for a missed 83b? I'm hearing different things about the cost and likelihood of success.

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Emma Davis

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I work at a law firm that has handled several of these cases. Private letter rulings for missed 83b elections typically cost $10-20k in legal fees plus the IRS user fee (around $3k). Success rates are very low unless there were truly extraordinary circumstances (like hospitalization or natural disaster).

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I'm sorry to hear about your situation - missing the 83b election deadline is unfortunately more common than you'd think, and the stress is completely understandable. As others have mentioned, the IRS is extremely strict about this 30-day window, and extensions are rarely granted. Here's what I'd focus on now that the election opportunity has passed: 1. **Tax planning is crucial** - Work with a tax professional to model out your tax liability as shares vest over the coming years. You'll need to make estimated quarterly payments to avoid underpayment penalties. 2. **Consider your exercise timing** - If these are stock options, you have some control over when you exercise and trigger the taxable event. Strategic timing around other tax events in your life could help. 3. **Look into tax-loss harvesting** - If you have other investments, realize some losses to offset the ordinary income you'll recognize from vesting equity. 4. **AMT planning** - Depending on your situation, Alternative Minimum Tax could be a factor. Make sure your tax advisor is calculating this properly. The silver lining is that while you'll pay more in taxes than if you'd filed the 83b, you're still benefiting from equity appreciation. Focus on what you can control now rather than dwelling on the missed opportunity.

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This is really solid practical advice, thank you! I'm curious about the AMT aspect you mentioned - how significant can that impact be for equity compensation? I've heard conflicting information about whether AMT applies to restricted stock vs stock options differently. Should I be preparing for a potentially massive AMT hit on top of the regular income tax?

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Your employer is probably using the "aggregate method" for supplemental wages. There are two ways employers can calculate withholding on overtime/bonuses: 1. Flat rate method: A simple 22% flat withholding on supplemental wages 2. Aggregate method: They add the supplemental wages to your regular wages and calculate withholding as if the total was your regular paycheck, then subtract what was already withheld from your regular check The aggregate method almost always results in higher withholding because it makes the system think you're in a higher tax bracket. It's perfectly legal but super annoying. You'll get the extra money back when you file your taxes, but in the meantime, your employer is basically giving the government an interest-free loan with YOUR money. I'd talk to your payroll department and ask if they can use the flat rate method instead!

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Thanks for explaining this! I'm definitely going to talk to our payroll department. Do you know if there's any documentation I can bring with me to show them the two different methods? I want to sound like I know what I'm talking about.

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Check out IRS Publication 15 (Circular E), Employer's Tax Guide. Section 7 covers supplemental wages in detail and explains both methods. You can download it from irs.gov or just Google "IRS Publication 15 supplemental wages" and you'll find it. The flat rate method is simpler for payroll to implement, so they might be willing to switch if you point out it's perfectly compliant with tax regulations. Some companies don't realize they have options for handling supplemental wages.

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Liv Park

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Isnt this a tax bracket thing? When u earn more in a pay period it gets taxed higher? My boss always said "don't work overtime cuz they take it all in taxes anyway" lol

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Your boss is perpetuating one of the biggest tax myths out there! Moving into a higher tax bracket only affects the dollars earned ABOVE that threshold, not all of your income. So working overtime will always put more money in your pocket, even after taxes. What's happening with OP's situation is about withholding (the estimate of taxes your employer takes out), not the actual tax rate. The withholding system isn't perfect at estimating, especially with irregular paychecks like overtime.

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Liv Park

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Oh wow i never knew that! I've literally been turning down overtime for years thinking it wasn't worth it. So ur saying I should take all the overtime I can get? Even if it pushes me into next tax bracket?

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