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Paolo Ricci

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Does anyone know if there's an income limit for the Lifetime Learning Credit? I think I might be getting close to the phaseout and I'm worried I won't qualify even though I have the expenses.

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Amina Toure

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Yeah there's definitely an income limit. For 2023 taxes, the LLC starts phasing out at $80,000 modified AGI for single filers and $160,000 for married filing jointly. It's completely phased out at $90,000 for single and $180,000 for joint. For 2024, those numbers are slightly higher due to inflation adjustments. The IRS usually updates them each year.

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Paolo Ricci

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Thanks for the info! That's actually a relief - my income is around $65k so I should be well under the phase-out limit. Glad I can still take advantage of the credit for my last semester of grad school.

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Yuki Sato

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Great question Sofia! I was in a similar situation a few years back. Yes, you can absolutely claim the Lifetime Learning Credit after using up your 4 years of AOTC - that's exactly what it's designed for! The LLC allows you to claim 20% of up to $10,000 in qualified education expenses (so max $2,000 credit). Those monthly $350 payments you made should definitely qualify as long as they were for tuition and required fees. The fact that FAFSA covered most expenses doesn't disqualify you - you can claim the LLC on the portion you paid out of pocket. Just make sure you keep good records of what those payments covered. Download official receipts from your student portal showing the breakdown of fees - this will be important if you ever get audited. The IRS wants to see exactly what the payments were for, not just bank statements. Also double-check your income limits - the LLC phases out starting at $80k for single filers, so you should be fine unless you're in a higher income bracket.

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Has anyone here dealt with receiving an inherited non-qualified plan distribution from a company that's been acquired by another company? I'm in a similar situation and the acquiring company is withholding state tax for their headquarters state even though the original company and I are both in different states. It's a mess!

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Marcus Marsh

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Yes! This happened to me last year with my uncle's retirement plan. The company had merged 3 times since he started working there. You need to file a nonresident tax return for the state they withheld for, and then claim the credit on your home state return. Also make sure to check if they calculated the death benefit correctly - in my case they initially miscalculated based on the wrong employment dates.

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This is such a helpful thread! I'm dealing with a similar situation but with an added complication - the deceased relative lived in one state, worked in another state, and I live in a third state. The plan administrator is withholding taxes for the state where the company is headquartered (a fourth state!). From what I'm reading here, it sounds like I'll need to file a nonresident return in the withholding state and then claim credits on my home state return. But I'm wondering if I also need to consider the deceased's state of residence or the state where they worked? Also, has anyone dealt with the timing issue? They're distributing this in late 2025, so I'm worried about having enough time to sort out all the state tax filings before the April deadline. Should I be making estimated payments to my home state even though they're already withholding for another state?

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Charlie Yang

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Welcome to the multi-state inheritance tax maze! I went through something similar last year with my grandmother's plan. The good news is that for inheritance purposes, you generally only need to worry about the withholding state and your home state - the deceased's residence and work location typically don't create additional filing obligations for you as the beneficiary. You're right that you'll need to file a nonresident return in the withholding state and claim credits on your home state return. Given the late 2025 timing, I'd definitely recommend making an estimated payment to your home state for Q4 2025, especially since you won't know the exact credit amount until you file the nonresident return. Pro tip: request all tax documents from the plan administrator as early as possible in January. Multi-state situations can take longer to sort out, and you'll want plenty of time before the April deadline. Also ask them specifically about the withholding calculation - sometimes they use the wrong state rates when there have been corporate changes.

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Harper Hill

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One thing nobody has mentioned yet - if your parents are charging you LESS than the minimum interest rate set by the IRS (the Applicable Federal Rate or AFR), there could be tax implications. The IRS might consider the "forgone interest" as a gift from your parents to you. Make sure your loan document specifies an interest rate at least equal to the AFR for the month the loan was made. You can find historical AFR rates on the IRS website.

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Oh that's interesting! I need to double check this. We set the interest rate at 3.5% when we created the agreement last year, but I'm not sure if that meets the minimum requirement. Is there an easy way to look up what the minimum AFR was for October 2024?

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Harper Hill

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You can find the AFR rates on the IRS website by searching for "Applicable Federal Rates" or "AFR" and the month and year you're looking for. For October 2024, you'd want to look at the appropriate term length for your loan - short-term (3 years or less), mid-term (more than 3 but less than 9 years), or long-term (more than 9 years). The 3.5% rate you mentioned would likely be sufficient for a mid-term or long-term loan during that period, but definitely verify with the exact published rates. If your rate is below the AFR, your parents would technically be making a gift to you of the difference between the AFR interest and what they're actually charging you.

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Caden Nguyen

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Just making sure everyone understands - the reason that loans from family members aren't considered income is because you have an obligation to repay them. That's why documentation is so important. If the IRS ever reclassifies your "loan" as a gift (because of poor documentation, below-market interest rates, or lack of repayment), then gift tax rules would apply. And while the recipient doesn't pay tax on gifts, the giver might have to file a gift tax return if it exceeds the annual gift exclusion amount.

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Avery Flores

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So what happens if I can't repay a family loan? My sister loaned me money for a house down payment but I lost my job and haven't made payments in 6 months. Does this automatically become a gift for tax purposes?

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Harold Oh

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Code 571 is actually a relief to see! It means the IRS is releasing a previous hold on your return - basically undoing whatever caused the delay in the first place. You'll typically see this after there was a 570 code that put things on pause. Most people get their refund date (846 code) within the next weekly update or two after seeing 571. You're in the home stretch now! šŸŽ‰

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StarSailor}

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Thanks for explaining this so clearly! I'm also dealing with my first 571 code and was worried it meant something bad. Really appreciate everyone in this community sharing their knowledge - makes the whole process so much less stressful when you understand what's actually happening! 😊

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571 is actually one of the best codes you can see! It means they're releasing whatever hold was on your account. I went through this exact same thing last year - had a 570 code for weeks that stressed me out, then boom, 571 appeared and I got my refund within 10 days. The IRS moves pretty quick once they release the hold. You should definitely see that sweet 846 code (direct deposit date) on your next transcript update! šŸ¤ž

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As someone who's dealt with this exact issue multiple times, I can confirm that a $140+ fraction of cents adjustment is definitely not normal and indicates a systematic error somewhere in your calculations. The good news is that you've already identified the root cause by finding the discrepancy in your February deposit ($58,435 vs $58,294.81). Here's what I'd recommend as your next steps: First, go through every single deposit on Schedule B and compare it to your actual EFTPS payment history - don't just spot check. Second, verify that your Schedule B is reporting tax LIABILITY by pay date, not deposit amounts or deposit dates. These are often confused. Third, if you have employees hitting the Social Security wage base ($160,200 for 2023), double-check that withholding stopped at exactly the right amount mid-quarter. The fraction of cents line should only account for rounding differences when you calculate tax liability per employee vs. the aggregate. Once you fix the Schedule B errors, that $140 should disappear almost entirely. Don't submit until you've tracked down every significant discrepancy - the IRS computers will flag unusual adjustments and it's much easier to fix now than deal with correspondence later.

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This is incredibly helpful - thank you for the step-by-step breakdown! I'm definitely going to work through each of these systematically. The distinction between tax liability by pay date vs deposit amounts/dates is something I need to clarify with our accounting team, as I suspect that might be part of our confusion. One quick question: when you say "don't submit until you've tracked down every significant discrepancy" - what would you consider significant? Should I be concerned about differences under $10, or are you talking about larger amounts like the $140+ discrepancy we found?

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GamerGirl99

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For Form 941 purposes, I'd focus on discrepancies over $5-10 per deposit when reviewing Schedule B. Small differences under that amount could be legitimate rounding or timing differences. However, when those small discrepancies add up across multiple pay periods, they can create a larger cumulative error. The key is that your total Schedule B should match your actual tax liability for the quarter, and your deposits should reasonably approximate that liability (within the safe harbor rules). If you're finding multiple discrepancies like that $140+ difference in February, definitely track down each one. A few dollars here and there might be acceptable, but when you're seeing adjustments over $100, it usually means there are several underlying errors that need correction. Also remember that the IRS penalty safe harbors are based on timely deposits of the correct amounts - so getting Schedule B right isn't just about the fraction of cents line, it's about avoiding deposit penalties too.

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Evelyn Kim

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I've been following this thread and wanted to add another potential cause I've encountered - check if your payroll system is handling state unemployment insurance (SUI) wage bases correctly. Some payroll systems incorrectly include SUI adjustments in federal tax calculations, especially when employees hit state-specific wage base limits that differ from federal limits. Also, if you're using a third-party payroll processor, they sometimes make "correcting" entries that don't get properly reflected in your 941 calculations. I'd recommend requesting a detailed payroll tax reconciliation report from them that shows exactly how they calculated each tax component for the quarter. One more thing - make sure you're not double-counting any year-end adjustments or corrections that might have carried over from Q4 of last year. Sometimes accounting departments make manual adjustments that create phantom discrepancies in subsequent quarters.

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Diego Vargas

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This is really valuable insight about the SUI wage base issues - I hadn't considered that our payroll system might be mixing state and federal calculations. We do use ADP for payroll processing, and I'm now wondering if some of their automated adjustments are creating these discrepancies without us realizing it. I'll definitely request that detailed tax reconciliation report you mentioned. Do you know specifically what to ask for from ADP? I want to make sure I get the right report that shows the federal tax calculations broken down by component. Also, your point about year-end adjustments carrying over is interesting - we did have some W-2 corrections from last year that required amended forms. I should check if any of those corrections are somehow affecting this quarter's calculations.

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