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Something nobody mentioned yet - if you ever claimed Section 179 deduction on the vehicle in the first year instead of regular depreciation, that gets recaptured differently! Make sure you check if you did that (common for business vehicles). Also if you traded in a previous business vehicle with a Section 1031 exchange (before 2018 when that was allowed for personal property), your basis calculation gets way more complicated.
Can you explain what Section 179 is and how it's different? I think I might have done this based on my tax preparer's recommendation but never really understood it. Is this going to cause problems when I sell my car?
Section 179 lets you deduct the full business portion of a vehicle in the year you place it in service, instead of depreciating it over several years. It's an upfront deduction instead of spreading it out. When you sell the vehicle, any Section 179 deduction you took is subject to depreciation recapture, which means you'll pay ordinary income tax (not capital gains) on that portion of your gain. It doesn't necessarily cause problems, but you need to account for it correctly. The amount you deducted under Section 179 essentially reduces your basis in the vehicle for the business percentage. Many people forget they took this deduction years ago and don't properly calculate their gain when selling.
I'm pretty sure theres a different form u need to use when selling a business asset vs a personal one? Is it like form 4797 or somethin? My buddy who does real estate told me you gotta split the sale between business/personal somehow
Yes, it's Form 4797 for the business portion. You report the business percentage of the sale on that form, and the gain attributable to depreciation gets recaptured as ordinary income. But remember, you don't report anything for the personal portion unless it's a gain over the original basis (which is rare for vehicles since they usually decline in value).
Just a heads up about MLPs on Robinhood - they're not really worth the tax headache for most people. I had a small position in an oil MLP and the K-1 complexity added like 2 hours to my tax prep for a whopping $17 in distributions. Plus, you should know that MLP income can trigger UBTI (Unrelated Business Taxable Income) which is absolutely terrible if you hold these in retirement accounts. Stick to regular corporations for oil investments unless you really know what you're doing or have an accountant.
Does that UBTI issue affect me if I'm just holding these in my regular Robinhood account? Not in an IRA or anything. Still learning all this stuff.
No, UBTI is only an issue in tax-advantaged accounts like IRAs or 401ks. In a regular taxable Robinhood account, you just have to deal with the complexity of the K-1 reporting, but there's no extra UBTI tax. The main disadvantage in a regular account is just the administrative hassle and possibly having to file multiple state tax returns if the MLP operates across different states. Plus, the tax treatment of MLP distributions is different from regular dividends - they're often partly tax-deferred as "return of capital" which lowers your cost basis instead of being immediately taxable.
If its your first time with a K-1, make sure you look closely at box 20 code V. This shows if you have state filing requirements. Most oil MLPs operate in multiple states so you technically need to file in each one. When I first got an MLP K-1 I completely missed this and got letters from 3 different states the next year. Some partnerships have a composite return option where they file for you in some states (check box 20 code Z) but not all do this.
Is there a minimum amount before you need to file in those states? I can't imagine filing in 12 states for a small investment would be worth it.
Another free option to consider is Cash App Taxes (formerly Credit Karma Tax). I've used it for the past three years and it handles capital gains/losses, including carryovers. Completely free for federal and state regardless of complexity. The only major limitations are that it doesn't support multiple state filing, foreign income, or undistributed long-term capital gains. But for most college students it's perfect.
Does Cash App Taxes handle 1099-MISC forms? I did some freelance design work and got one of those, plus I have some investment stuff to report.
Yes, Cash App Taxes handles 1099-MISC forms without any issues. I've used it for freelance income alongside investment reporting for years now. The interface for entering 1099 information is actually pretty straightforward, and they support multiple 1099s if you had several clients. They also walk you through any deductible expenses related to your freelance work, which can significantly reduce your taxable income from those gigs.
I was in the exact same boat last year! Had to report stock losses and TurboTax wanted $120 for their premium package. Switched to FreeTaxUSA and paid $0 instead of $120. One tip for anyone with investment stuff: gather ALL your documents before starting. My 1099-B had substituted cost basis info that confused me and I had to start over. But even with that hassle, FreeTaxUSA was way better than paying TurboTax's ransom fee lol.
I bought single W2 and W3 forms at Walmart in the tax forms section last year. They had small packs (I think it was like 3 forms) for household employers. Check the office supply/tax preparation aisle. This was in February though, so they might only stock them during tax season.
Thanks for the tip about Walmart! I'll check there. Do you remember approximately how much they cost? And were they the official red ones that the IRS accepts?
I think they were around $8-10 for a small packet of forms. Yes, they were the official IRS-approved forms with the red ink. They came with instructions too, which was helpful since I was filling these out for the first time. The other option that worked great for me was filing electronically through the SSA website. If you go to the Business Services Online section on ssa.gov, you can register as a household employer and submit the W2/W3 information directly without needing the paper forms at all.
Just wanted to mention that if you're a household employer, you might want to consider using a nanny payroll service for next year. I use Homepay and they handle all the W2/W3 filings automatically. It costs a bit more than doing it yourself, but they take care of all the quarterly filings, unemployment taxes, and year-end forms. Saved me so much hassle!
Ava Thompson
Just wanted to offer some perspective as someone who works at a regional accounting firm. Form 3115 specialization varies wildly between CPAs, so you're smart to be asking these questions. For a business your size, I'd recommend finding a mid-sized local/regional firm rather than a sole practitioner or Big 4. The sweet spot is finding a firm that handles businesses in the $200k-$2M revenue range regularly. They'll have the expertise without charging Big 4 prices. When interviewing potential CPAs, ask these specific questions: 1) How many Form 3115s have you personally prepared in the last 2 years? 2) What's your experience with the specific DCN that applies to cash-to-accrual method changes? 3) How do you approach Section 481(a) adjustments for businesses with inventory? If they can't answer these confidently, keep looking!
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Miguel Ramos
β’This is great advice. Is there anything specific I should look out for that would indicate a CPA might not be familiar enough with Form 3115? Any red flags during the interview process?
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Ava Thompson
β’The biggest red flag is if they downplay the complexity of Form 3115 or give vague answers about the process. If they say something like "oh it's just another form we'll fill out with your tax return" - run! A knowledgeable CPA will mention the duplicate filing requirement (one copy with your return, one to the Covington processing center), discuss potential audit risk factors specific to method changes, and explain how they'd calculate your Section 481(a) adjustment. Also be wary if they can't explain why you need to change from cash to accrual based on your specific business situation. There are revenue thresholds and other factors that trigger this requirement, and they should be able to cite the specific code sections that apply to your case.
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Zainab Ibrahim
Anyone have an estimate on what this kind of specialized Form 3115 preparation typically costs? I'm in a similar situation but getting wildly different quotes. One place said $800 and another said $3,500 which seems crazy different.
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Ava Thompson
β’Those price differences make sense actually. The $800 quote is a major red flag - they likely don't understand the work involved. Form 3115 preparation typically costs between $2,500-$4,000 for a small business with straightforward inventory issues. If your situation involves complex inventory valuation or multiple accounting method changes, it could go higher. Remember you're not just paying for filling out a form - you're paying for the analysis to determine the Section 481(a) adjustment, preparation of required statements and attachments, and the expertise to make sure everything is done correctly to minimize audit risk. This is specialized work that can save you thousands in the long run.
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Zainab Ibrahim
β’Thanks for the info, that's really helpful. I guess I need to be suspicious of the lowball quote then. Makes sense that something this complex would be on the higher end of tax preparation services. Appreciate the perspective!
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