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One thing nobody's mentioned is how this affects your ability to claim the Child Tax Credit if you have kids. If you use the FEIE, you can't claim the refundable portion of the CTC on the excluded income. So if you have children, you might actually be better off with the FTC in some cases. For example, I live in France with 2 kids and about ā¬70,000 in income, plus some US dividends. When I ran the numbers, the additional Child Tax Credit I could claim using FTC outweighed the tax savings from the partial FEIE strategy. Has anyone else with children done detailed calculations on this? Would be interested to see if this holds true across different income levels and number of dependents.
Great point about the Child Tax Credit! I have 3 kids and live in Japan, and this is exactly why I use the FTC instead of FEIE. With the increased CTC amount ($2,000 per qualifying child with up to $1,500 refundable), it makes a huge difference. I think the break-even point depends on your income level, foreign tax rate, and number of children. In my experience, if you have 2+ kids and are in the lower income brackets (under $100k combined), the FTC often works out better because of the refundable credits. Has anyone found a good calculator that factors in all these variables? Most tax software doesn't seem to handle this comparison very well.
This is such a valuable discussion! I'm a US citizen living in Australia and have been struggling with this exact decision. Reading through everyone's experiences, I'm realizing I need to factor in more variables than I initially thought. @Emily Nguyen-Smith and @James Johnson - your point about the Child Tax Credit is huge. I have one child and was leaning toward the partial FEIE strategy, but now I'm wondering if I should stick with FTC to preserve my ability to claim the full CTC. One question for the group: has anyone dealt with superannuation (retirement contributions) in Australia and how that interacts with these strategies? My employer contributes about AUD $8,000 annually to my super, and I'm not sure how that affects the foreign earned income calculation for FEIE purposes. Also wondering about the interaction with the Additional Child Tax Credit - if I use partial FEIE and keep some earned income for Roth IRA eligibility, does that preserved earned income count toward the ACTC calculation even though the rest is excluded? This thread has been incredibly helpful - it's clear there's no one-size-fits-all answer and the optimal strategy really depends on your specific situation including state taxes, number of dependents, and foreign tax rates.
Welcome to the community @Avery Davis! Your situation with Australian superannuation is actually quite complex and I'm glad you brought it up. For superannuation contributions, the employer contributions (Superannuation Guarantee) are generally not considered part of your foreign earned income for FEIE purposes since they're not directly received by you in the tax year. However, any salary sacrifice contributions you make would reduce your foreign earned income dollar-for-dollar, which could affect your FEIE calculation. Regarding the Additional Child Tax Credit with partial FEIE - yes, any earned income you preserve (don't exclude) would count toward the ACTC calculation. So if you exclude $80k but keep $20k as earned income for Roth IRA purposes, that $20k would be available for ACTC calculations. This is actually one of the strategic benefits of partial FEIE that isn't widely discussed. Given Australia's relatively high tax rates and your child, I'd strongly recommend running both scenarios (FTC vs partial FEIE) with your specific numbers. The interaction between Australian taxes, US credits, and superannuation can create some surprising results. You might want to consider using one of the tax analysis tools mentioned earlier in this thread to model both approaches comprehensively.
Lots of other countries already do what you're suggesting! In the UK they have a system called PAYE (Pay As You Earn) where taxes are automatically calculated and withheld for most employees. Sweden, Denmark, and Spain all send pre-filled tax returns to citizens - you just verify the information and submit. The US system is deliberately kept complex and manual. The technology for automated taxes has existed for decades.
Can confirm. I lived in Norway for 3 years and their tax system is amazing. You get a pre-filled tax form with all your info already there, just review it for accuracy, make any needed adjustments, and submit. Took me about 10 minutes each year. Coming back to the US was a shock - spent hours gathering forms and figuring everything out again.
This is exactly why I've been pushing for return-free filing for years! As a tax professional, I see how unnecessarily complicated we've made something that could be simple for most Americans. The IRS already has the capability to pre-populate returns - they actually tested a pilot program called "Ready Return" in California back in 2006 that worked great. Participants loved it and it had a 99% accuracy rate. But it was killed due to industry pressure. For about 70% of taxpayers who take the standard deduction and have straightforward income, the math is already done. The IRS knows your wages, interest, and most other income sources. They could easily send you a pre-filled return to review and approve, just like other countries do. The real barrier isn't technical - it's political. We need to demand that our representatives prioritize taxpayer convenience over corporate profits from the tax prep industry.
This is so frustrating to learn about! I had no idea there was actually a successful pilot program that got shut down. It really drives home that this isn't about whether the technology works - it's about protecting business interests over making life easier for regular people. The fact that 70% of taxpayers could benefit from automated filing but we're stuck with the current system because of lobbying is infuriating. How do we actually push for change on this? Are there any current efforts in Congress to bring back return-free filing, or organizations working on this issue that regular citizens can support?
Don't forget to request an abatement of any penalties they've proposed in the CP2000! Since this was your first time dealing with ISOs and you're not trying to hide income (it was on your W-2), you qualify for "reasonable cause" relief from penalties. Include a brief statement saying something like: "I request abatement of any penalties as I made an unintentional error in not reporting the 1099-B. The income was properly reported on my W-2 as shown in the attached documentation, demonstrating there was no intent to underreport income." I was in almost the identical situation in 2020 and not only did they remove the proposed tax adjustment, they also waived all penalties when I explained it was my first time dealing with equity compensation and I didn't understand the dual reporting requirement.
This is a stressful situation but definitely manageable! I went through something very similar with my ISO exercise in 2020. The key thing to understand is that the IRS computer system flagged this because it saw income reported on your 1099-B but couldn't automatically match it to the corresponding W-2 income. When you respond to the CP2000, you'll want to clearly show the connection between your W-2 and 1099-B. Look for Box 14 on your W-2 - many employers specifically note ISO income there, or it might be included in your regular wages in Box 1. Your employer should also have provided an equity statement showing the details of your ISO transaction. A few critical points for your response: 1. Send copies of both your W-2 and 1099-B 2. Include any equity compensation statements from your employer 3. Write a clear explanation showing how the exercise spread was already taxed as ordinary income 4. Calculate any small capital gain/loss from the actual sale price vs. fair market value at exercise 5. Request penalty abatement since this was an unintentional reporting error Don't panic about the deadline - you have options. If you're running short on time, you can call the IRS to request an extension while you gather documentation. The CP2000 is a proposal, not a final assessment, so you have the right to dispute it with proper documentation.
Something important that hasn't been mentioned yet - trading US stocks, ETFs, futures and options from an offshore entity doesn't magically eliminate US tax obligations. If you're trading US securities markets, you're still subject to various US tax provisions regardless of where your entity is based. For instance, any US-source dividend income would still be subject to withholding tax (typically 30% unless reduced by treaty). And if your trading activity is deemed to be a US trade or business, you could be considered to have a US permanent establishment, requiring you to file a US tax return for the foreign entity. The IRS also has specific provisions targeting day traders who try to use offshore structures to avoid taxes. Look up "dealer in securities" rules - they're designed exactly for situations like what you're describing.
This is accurate. I made this mistake myself - set up a Bahamas trading entity thinking I'd save on taxes, only to discover I still owed US taxes plus had massive reporting requirements. Had to file amended returns for 3 years and paid penalties. Don't try to be too clever with these structures unless you've got serious professional guidance (and even then, proceed with caution).
As someone who went through a similar situation as an H1B holder, I can't stress enough how important it is to understand that the IRS has very sophisticated systems for tracking offshore activities, especially when US securities are involved. One thing that really caught me off guard was the "economic substance" doctrine. Even if you technically set up everything correctly on paper, the IRS can still challenge your structure if it lacks genuine business purpose beyond tax avoidance. With your plan to trade primarily US markets from an offshore entity while living in the US, you'd be walking right into this scrutiny. Also, consider the practical aspects - many major brokers like Interactive Brokers have become very strict about account opening for offshore entities with US beneficial owners. They often require extensive documentation proving legitimate business purposes, and even then, they may decline to open accounts due to compliance concerns. Before you invest time and money into this approach, I'd recommend getting a professional tax opinion letter from a qualified international tax attorney. It'll cost you a few thousand dollars upfront, but it could save you tens of thousands in penalties and professional fees later if the IRS challenges your structure. The bottom line: there are very few legitimate ways to reduce US tax obligations through offshore structures when you're a US tax resident actively trading US markets. The juice usually isn't worth the squeeze.
Luca Esposito
Don't forget you can offset those winnings with losses, but only if you have proof! I learned this the hard way. Keep all your ATM receipts at casinos, player's card statements, even hotel bills that show you were there. If you're audited without proof, you're screwed.
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Isabella Ferreira
ā¢So for my situation, I probably lost about $400 throughout the year before hitting this $1200 win. I don't have receipts for the losses though since I just used cash. Does that mean I'm stuck paying taxes on the full $1200?
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Nia Thompson
Everyone here is giving tax advice but no one mentioned the most important thing - if you won exactly $1200 they probably didn't withhold any federal taxes! The casino is required to give you a W-2G but withholding is only mandatory on slots if you win over $5,000. Make sure you set aside money for taxes so you're not surprised at tax time!
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