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I'm in almost the identical situation! Filed my 2024 return in early February, got hit with the 570/971 codes three weeks later because I never filed my 2021 return. It's so stressful when you think everything is going smoothly and then this curveball hits you. I sent my missing 2021 return via certified mail 12 days ago and have been obsessively checking my transcript twice a day (I know, I know, everyone says not to do this but I can't help myself!). Reading all these responses is actually really reassuring - it sounds like the 3-4 week timeframe is pretty consistent across different situations. @Hugh Intensity - thanks for that detailed timeline! That 571 code tip is super helpful. I had no idea what to look for besides just hoping the 570 would disappear. Now I know there's actually a specific code that shows when the hold gets released. For anyone else going through this - we're definitely not alone in this situation! Seems like missing prior year returns while being newer to the US tax system is more common than I thought.
I went through this exact scenario last year! Filed my 2024 return in January, got the dreaded 570/971 codes in February because I had never filed my 2020 return (I was new to the US and honestly didn't realize I needed to file that year since my income was below the threshold, but apparently I still should have). The waiting is absolutely the worst part - I was checking my transcript obsessively too! Here's what happened with mine: - Mailed my missing 2020 return via certified mail on February 18th - Transcript showed no changes for weeks (so nerve-wracking!) - On March 15th, I finally saw the 571 code appear (like Hugh mentioned - this is the "hold released" code) - Refund hit my account on March 19th So total timeline was about 4 weeks from mailing the old return to getting my current year refund. The IRS processed everything internally without showing me any intermediate steps, which was frustrating but apparently normal. One thing I learned: if you have a complex situation or multiple missing years, consider getting a tax professional to help. I tried to handle it myself initially but ended up spending way more time and stress than if I'd just gotten help from the start. Good luck - you'll get through this! π€
This is so reassuring to read! I'm in week 2 of waiting after filing my missing 2023 return, and the daily transcript checking is definitely becoming an obsession π It's good to know that 4 weeks seems to be the typical timeline and that there usually aren't any intermediate updates to watch for. @Nick Kravitz - your point about getting professional help is really smart. I m'realizing there are so many nuances to the US tax system that I m'still learning about even after being here for a few years. Did the tax professional help you with just the missing return or did they also help you understand how to avoid similar issues in the future? The 571 code tip from @Hugh Intensity is golden - I had no idea what to look for beyond just hoping the 570 would disappear. Now I know exactly what signal means I m almost'home free!
Has anyone used direct file with income from multiple states? I have my main retirement and SSA-1099 in Florida (no state income tax), but I also have a small rental property in Georgia that generates some income. Will direct file handle this correctly?
I had a similar situation last year with property in two states. Direct File isn't great for multi-state situations in my experience. It'll handle your federal return fine with the SSA-1099 and rental income, but for the Georgia state return, it gets complicated. When it transfers data to Georgia's system, it might not properly allocate which income is subject to Georgia tax vs what's exempt. I ended up using a paid preparer for this specific situation.
@Esmeralda GΓ³mez Since you're retired with only SSA-1099 income, you're in a great position to use Direct File! The process is actually pretty straightforward for your situation. After you complete your federal return through the IRS Direct File system, it will give you an option to transfer your information to your state's tax filing system (assuming your state participates). The IRS doesn't file your state return directly - instead, it sends your basic information and income data to your state's tax portal, which then pre-fills a state return form for you. For someone with just Social Security income, most of the transfer should be seamless. Your SSA-1099 information will carry over automatically, and you'll mainly just need to review the pre-filled state form and answer any state-specific questions before submitting. The key thing to remember is that you'll need to complete both steps - the federal filing through Direct File, and then the state filing through your state's portal after the data transfer. Don't worry about messing anything up - the system guides you through each step pretty clearly!
As a fellow newcomer to the US tax system, I completely understand your confusion! I went through something similar when I first arrived. One thing that really helped me was understanding that the W-4 is just an estimate for withholding - you're not locked into anything. Since you're both working and newly married, I'd recommend: 1. Both select "Married filing jointly" on your W-4s 2. Make sure to check the "Multiple Jobs or Spouse Works" box in Step 2 on both forms 3. Consider using the IRS withholding calculator at irs.gov to get a more precise estimate For dependents, put 0 unless you have children or other qualifying dependents. Health insurance coverage doesn't make you dependents of each other. The good news is that when you file your actual tax return next year, you can choose the filing status that works best for you (likely married filing jointly), regardless of what you put on your W-4s. The W-4 is just to help get your withholding close to what you'll owe. Don't stress too much - you can always adjust your W-4 later if needed once you see how your first few paychecks look!
This is such helpful advice! As someone who's also navigating the US tax system for the first time, I really appreciate you breaking it down step by step. One quick question - you mentioned we can adjust our W-4 later if needed. How soon after starting work would you recommend checking to see if the withholding amounts look right? Should we wait for a few paychecks or is there a way to estimate it sooner? Also, @Kiara Fisherman - since you mentioned your wife is switching schools in August, she ll'probably need to fill out a new W-4 at her new job anyway, so that could be a good opportunity to make any adjustments based on what you learn from your first few months of paychecks together.
Welcome to the US tax system! As someone who also navigated this as a new immigrant, I totally get the confusion. The key thing to remember is that your W-4 and actual tax filing are separate decisions. For your W-4 forms, since you're legally married and both working: 1. Select "Married filing jointly" in Step 1 2. Definitely check the "Multiple Jobs or Spouse Works" box in Step 2 - this is crucial to avoid underwithholding 3. Put 0 for dependents unless you have children The immigration status piece that @Sophie Duck mentioned is really important. If you arrived recently, look into whether you qualify as a resident alien for tax purposes and consider the First-Year Choice election if you don't meet the substantial presence test yet. One practical tip: keep your first few pay stubs and use the IRS withholding calculator online after a month or two to see if you need to adjust. Since your wife is changing jobs in August anyway, that's a perfect time to fine-tune the W-4 based on what you've learned. Don't worry about getting it perfect immediately - you can always adjust as you go!
This is really comprehensive advice! I'm also new to the US and have been struggling with similar W-4 confusion. One thing I'm still not clear on - when you mention the "First-Year Choice election," is that something we need to actively file or does it happen automatically when we file jointly? Also, @NebulaNinja, you mentioned keeping pay stubs to check withholding - roughly what percentage of gross pay should we expect to see withheld for federal taxes if we fill out the W-4 correctly for a married couple both working? Just trying to get a sense of what "normal" looks like so I know if something seems way off. Thanks for all the helpful guidance in this thread - it's been so much more useful than anything I could find on government websites!
This is such a common source of confusion! I went through the exact same thing with my spouse's SSDI benefits. What really helped me understand it was thinking of it this way: the Earned Income Tax Credit is specifically designed to supplement income from WORK - that's why it's called "earned" income credit. SSDI, while it's taxable income that goes on your tax return, isn't something you "earned" through current work activity. It's a disability benefit based on your past work history. So for EITC purposes, it doesn't count as earned income at all. The good news is that if you only have SSDI and no other earned income, you unfortunately won't qualify for EITC since you need at least some earned income to claim it. But if you have even a small amount of earned income from work alongside the SSDI, the SSDI won't count against you when calculating your EITC eligibility - only your work income matters for that calculation. It might be worth checking if you qualified for EITC in previous years when you had any work income, since this is such a commonly misunderstood rule!
This explanation really clarifies things! I've been helping my elderly neighbor with her taxes and we ran into this exact confusion. She has SSDI plus a small part-time job at a local shop, and we weren't sure how to handle the SSDI portion. Now I understand that only her wages from the shop count as earned income for EITC purposes, not her disability benefits. Thank you for breaking this down so clearly - it makes so much more sense when you think of it as supplementing income from actual work rather than all income sources.
I've been through this exact situation and want to emphasize something important that might help others avoid the mistake I made. When you're using tax software like TurboTax or FreeTaxUSA, pay very close attention to how you categorize your SSDI income. I mistakenly entered my husband's SSDI as "wages" one year because the software interface wasn't super clear about where disability benefits should go. This completely messed up our EITC calculation and we ended up owing money instead of getting a refund. SSDI should be entered in the Social Security benefits section, NOT as wages or earned income. The software will then correctly exclude it from your earned income calculations for EITC purposes. Also, make sure you have your SSA-1099 form handy - that's the official document that shows your annual SSDI benefits, and you'll need those exact numbers for your tax return. One more tip: if you think you might have made this mistake in previous years, you can file amended returns (Form 1040X) to claim EITC you should have received. There's a three-year limit on amended returns, so don't wait too long if you think you missed out on credits!
This is incredibly helpful information! I think I may have made this exact mistake last year. I remember being confused about where to enter my SSDI benefits in TurboTax and I'm pretty sure I put them in the wrong category. We ended up not qualifying for EITC by just a small margin, which now makes sense if the software was treating my disability benefits as earned income. I had no idea you could file amended returns for missed EITC credits! Do you know how complicated the process is for filing a 1040X? I'm worried about doing it wrong and creating more problems, but if we missed out on credits for the past couple years, it could be worth looking into. The three-year limit is good to know - I need to check our 2022 and 2023 returns to see if we made the same mistake.
Oliver Becker
Don't forget about the QBI deduction implications of hiring your spouse. Putting too much into their salary could reduce your Qualified Business Income deduction if you qualify for it. You need to balance the retirement contribution benefits against potential QBI losses.
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Julian Paolo
Great point about the QBI deduction! This is something I hadn't fully considered. For anyone else reading, the QBI (Section 199A) deduction can be up to 20% of your qualified business income, but it gets complicated when you have employees. When you pay W-2 wages to your spouse, those wages reduce your net business income that's eligible for QBI. However, having W-2 wages can also help you qualify for QBI if your income is in the phase-out range ($182,050-$232,050 for single filers in 2024). The key is finding the sweet spot where the tax savings from maxing out retirement contributions outweigh any reduction in your QBI deduction. This really depends on your total income level and tax bracket. I'd recommend running the numbers both ways - with and without spousal employment - to see which scenario gives you better overall tax savings. A tax software program or CPA can help model this, especially since the QBI rules are pretty complex with all the wage and income limitations.
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Liam Fitzgerald
β’This is exactly the kind of nuanced analysis I was hoping to find! The QBI calculation seems incredibly complex when you factor in employee wages. Do you know if there are any online calculators that can help model the QBI impact vs retirement contribution benefits? I'm trying to figure out the optimal salary amount for my spouse without having to pay a CPA hundreds of dollars just to run scenarios.
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