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Diego Flores

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Don't forget about the year of disposition too! The year you convert a property back to personal use or sell it has special depreciation rules. You generally only get half the annual depreciation in the year you place it in service AND in the year you dispose of it (the "mid-month convention").

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I thought the half-year convention only applied to certain types of business property, not residential rentals? Aren't rental properties subject to the mid-month convention instead?

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You're absolutely right @ac6dc0772264! Residential rental properties use the mid-month convention, not the half-year convention. For residential rentals (27.5 years), you get a partial month's depreciation in the first month you place it in service and in the month you dispose of it. So if you started renting in November, you'd get 1.5 months of depreciation that first year (November and half of December). Thanks for catching that - it's an important distinction that could affect the Form 3115 calculations.

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Great information in this thread! Just to summarize the key points for @dcac7ecca8da: 1. Your rental property conversion date is November 2014 when tenants moved in, not when you moved out 2. Form 3115 is definitely the right approach - don't amend prior returns 3. You'll get the catch-up depreciation deduction on your 2025 return, but no refunds for prior years 4. The IRS will still treat you as having taken depreciation when you sell (even though you didn't), so filing Form 3115 now prevents you from losing those deductions entirely One additional tip: make sure to keep good records of when you converted the property to rental use and any improvements you've made since then. The IRS may ask for documentation if they have questions about your Form 3115. Also, since you mentioned this is a military move situation, you might want to check if there are any special provisions that apply to your situation, though the standard depreciation rules should still apply to your rental property. Good luck with your filing!

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This is such a helpful summary! I'm actually in a very similar situation - military relocation led to unexpected landlord status. One quick question though: when you mention keeping records of the conversion date, what specific documentation should we be looking for? I have the lease agreement from November 2014, but is there anything else the IRS typically wants to see to prove when rental use began? Also, @dcac7ecca8da, have you already started working on your Form 3115 or are you still gathering information? I'm debating whether to tackle this myself or get professional help given how many years of missed depreciation we're talking about.

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Wesley Hallow

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I've been through this exact same situation! As a fellow Pennsylvania homeowner, I can confirm that sales tax on warranty deductibles is indeed legal here. Pennsylvania taxes most repair services to tangible personal property, which includes home appliances and systems. The inconsistency you're experiencing is super common because warranty companies typically contract with different local service providers for different types of repairs. Each contractor may handle the tax collection differently - some build it into their rates, others collect it separately, and some might not collect it at all (though they're supposed to). One thing that helped me was asking my warranty company for a list of their "preferred contractors" in my area and specifically asking about their tax policies when I call to schedule service. That way I know what to expect on the bill. You might also want to keep records of which contractors charged tax vs. which didn't - if you ever get audited, you'll want to show you paid the proper taxes when they were collected. The $6.50 in tax on a $100 deductible sounds about right for PA's sales tax rate. Welcome to homeownership - it's always something new to learn!

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Lucas Schmidt

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This is really helpful, thanks! The idea of asking for a list of preferred contractors and their tax policies upfront is brilliant - would save me from being surprised at payment time. I never thought about keeping records for potential audit purposes either. Do you happen to know if there's a way to verify if a contractor is properly licensed to collect sales tax in PA? I'm wondering if some of the contractors who didn't charge tax might not be handling it correctly on their end.

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Mei Liu

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Great question about verifying contractor licensing! In Pennsylvania, you can check if a contractor is properly registered to collect sales tax through the PA Department of Revenue's online business search tool. Just search for their business name or license number - legitimate contractors should have a valid PA sales tax license. However, here's an important distinction: even if a contractor doesn't collect sales tax from you at the time of service, that doesn't necessarily mean they're doing anything wrong. Some contractors pay the sales tax directly to the state themselves and build it into their service rates, rather than collecting it separately from customers. This is called "absorbing the tax" and it's completely legal. The real issue would be if NO sales tax is being paid to the state at all on these transactions. But as the customer, that's not really your responsibility to police - it's between the contractor and the state revenue department. For your own records though, I'd definitely recommend keeping detailed receipts showing which contractors charged you tax separately and which didn't. If you're ever questioned about it, you can show you paid tax when it was collected and relied on the contractors to handle it properly when it wasn't.

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Diego Chavez

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This is incredibly useful information! I had no idea contractors could "absorb the tax" and build it into their rates - that totally explains the inconsistency I've been seeing. It makes me feel better knowing that as long as I'm paying what the contractor asks for and keeping good records, I'm probably covered from a compliance standpoint. The PA Department of Revenue search tool sounds like a great resource too. Thanks for breaking this down so clearly - definitely saving this info for future warranty claims!

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Another thing to consider with the EIC look back provision is that if your filing status changed between 2023 and 2024, this can dramatically affect how the calculation works. I went from filing Single in 2023 to Head of Household in 2024 after getting custody of my nephew. When I used the look back provision, it used my 2023 income but with my new 2024 filing status and dependents, which actually gave me a much higher EIC than either year would have individually. Tax software doesn't explain this well at all - it just asks if you want to use last year's income without showing how the calculation changes.

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Sofia Peña

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Would this work the other way too? I went from Head of Household in 2023 to Married Filing Jointly in 2024. My income dropped a lot but my husband has decent income. Would using my higher 2023 income with my new filing status be beneficial or harmful for EIC?

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When you change from Head of Household to Married Filing Jointly, it completely changes your EIC calculation because now you're combining both incomes. The EIC phase-out thresholds are different for each filing status. In your situation, using your higher 2023 income might actually be harmful if your combined 2024 income with your husband already puts you near or in the phase-out range for the credit. The look back only applies to earned income, not filing status - so it would use your 2023 income but with your current Married Filing Jointly status.

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Aaron Boston

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Don't forget that the look back provision ONLY applies to earned income for calculating the EIC and Additional Child Tax Credit. It doesn't affect other parts of your tax return. I made this mistake by thinking my entire tax situation would be calculated using my 2023 income, but that's not how it works. Only the specific credits get recalculated - everything else (standard deduction, tax brackets, other credits) still uses your actual 2024 income and status.

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Sophia Carter

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This clarifies so much! So if I have investment income in 2024 that I didn't have in 2023, that could affect my EIC eligibility even if I use the look back for my earned income?

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Exactly right! Investment income limits still apply using your actual 2024 amounts. For 2024, if your investment income exceeds $11,000, you're completely disqualified from the EIC regardless of what earned income you use with the look back provision. This is one of those gotchas that can really trip people up - you might think using your lower 2023 earned income will help, but if you sold stocks or had other investment income in 2024 that puts you over the limit, you won't qualify for EIC at all.

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Summer Green

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Be careful relying too heavily on cycle codes. Last year I had an 05 code and was told to expect an update that Friday. Nothing happened for three weeks, and when I finally got through to an IRS agent, they told me my return had been flagged for a random review which completely threw off the normal cycle timing. The cycle code is just one piece of the puzzle and doesn't account for other factors that might delay processing.

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Jayden Hill

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Based on my experience with cycle code 05, here's what you can realistically expect: Your return gets processed Thursday nights around midnight EST, and any updates typically show up on your transcript by Friday morning around 6 AM. However, don't set your expectations too high for immediate movement. I've seen 05 cycle codes take anywhere from 1-4 weeks to show actual progress, especially during peak season like now. The code just tells you WHEN your account gets looked at, not IF it will move forward. Since you filed jointly for the first time, there might be additional verification steps that could delay things regardless of your cycle code. My advice? Check Friday morning, but have a backup plan for your finances that doesn't depend on getting your refund this week.

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Emma Wilson

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@0e8b937137ec Thank you for the realistic timeline! I'm curious - when you mentioned additional verification steps for first-time joint filers, are there any specific red flags we should watch for on our transcript? My husband and I are also first-time joint filers with an 05 cycle code, and I want to make sure we're not missing any warning signs that could indicate our return got pulled for manual review. Should we be looking for specific transaction codes or just the standard 150/846 progression?

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Miguel Diaz

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@0e8b937137ec Great point about having a backup plan! I'm in a similar situation with an 05 cycle code and filing jointly for the first time. One thing I've learned from lurking here is to look for transaction codes 570/971 on your transcript, which can indicate holds or additional review. Also, if you see code 768 (earned income credit), that can sometimes add extra processing time even with the 05 cycle. The key is managing expectations - the cycle code tells you when they'll LOOK at your return, but doesn't guarantee they'll approve it that same cycle. Better to be pleasantly surprised than constantly disappointed checking every Friday morning!

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Yara Nassar

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Had this issue. Fixed it myself. Called the TPP directly. Number is different. Regular agents can't help. Asked for supervisor on third call. Got transferred properly. Verified identity by phone. Refund arrived three weeks later. Don't wait for letters. Be proactive. Keep detailed notes of each call. Names and badge numbers help. Good luck.

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Ava Rodriguez

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This exact situation happened to me last year, and I completely understand your frustration. The inconsistent information is maddening when you're depending on that refund. Here's what I learned after going through this nightmare: the regular customer service reps literally cannot see your full case details when you're in TPP (Taxpayer Protection Program). They're looking at different systems that don't talk to each other, which explains the wildly different answers. What finally worked for me was calling early morning (7-8 AM seems to be the sweet spot) and immediately asking to be transferred to the Taxpayer Protection Program department. Don't let them tell you they can help - they can't. You need TPP specifically. Have your prior year AGI ready and be prepared to answer security questions. Also, check if you can access idverify.irs.gov - some people can complete verification online without waiting for the letter. The anxiety of not knowing what's happening while drowning in debt is real, and I'm sorry you're going through this. Document every call with names and reference numbers. You've got this!

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Emily Parker

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Thank you for this incredibly helpful breakdown! As someone new to dealing with IRS issues, I had no idea there were separate departments that literally can't see the same information. That explains so much about why the representatives seem genuinely confused when they give conflicting answers. Your tip about calling early morning and immediately requesting TPP is gold - I can see how that would save hours of frustration. I'm curious though, when you asked to be transferred to TPP, did they ever push back and insist they could help you themselves? I'm worried about being too assertive on the phone but it sounds like being direct is necessary here. The idverify.irs.gov suggestion keeps coming up in this thread and I'm definitely going to try that route first. It's reassuring to hear from someone who actually made it through this process successfully!

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