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Everett Tutum

How many exemptions should I claim on my W-4 as a 23 year old single making 42k?

So I've been hearing a bunch of different advice about how many exemptions I should claim on my tax forms. I'm 23, single, and make about 42k at my marketing coordinator job. Some of my coworkers are telling me to claim 0 to get a bigger refund, while my brother says I should claim 2 to get more in my paycheck throughout the year. My parents think I should just claim 1 since that's the "standard" for a single person with one job. I've tried looking up some info online but I'm getting conflicting advice everywhere. I don't want to end up owing a bunch of money next April, but I also don't want to be giving the government an interest-free loan all year if I don't have to. I don't have any dependents or special deductions besides my student loan interest. Can someone break down what the actual difference would be between claiming 0, 1, or 2 exemptions in my situation? And what's actually the smart move here?

Sunny Wang

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The term "exemptions" is actually outdated since the 2020 tax law changes. The W-4 form now focuses on "allowances" rather than exemptions. Here's a breakdown of your options: Claiming "0" allowances means more taxes will be withheld from each paycheck, likely resulting in a refund at tax time. Claiming "1" is typically suitable for someone in your situation (single, one job, no dependents). Claiming "2" would reduce your withholding, giving you more money each paycheck but potentially leaving you with a tax bill if you don't have other deductions to offset it. At $42k with standard deduction and student loan interest, claiming "1" is probably the safest option to avoid a surprise tax bill while not overwithholding too much. The student loan interest deduction (up to $2,500) could offset some tax liability.

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Wait, I thought the W-4 doesn't use allowances anymore either? Didn't they completely revamp the form in like 2020 to remove the allowances section? I filled one out recently and it was just asking about multiple jobs, dependents, and other income/deductions.

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Sunny Wang

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You're absolutely right, and I apologize for the confusion. The W-4 form was indeed completely redesigned for 2020 and no longer uses the allowance system at all. The new form asks about multiple jobs, dependents, and other adjustments rather than having you choose a number of allowances. For someone in your situation (single, one job, $42k income), you would likely just complete Steps 1 and 5 on the new form without claiming additional adjustments. This would be roughly equivalent to the old "claiming 1" allowance in terms of withholding. If you want slightly more in each paycheck, you could use Step 4(b) to indicate deductions like student loan interest that would reduce your tax liability.

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Melissa Lin

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Melissa Lin

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Eve Freeman

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Something nobody's mentioned yet - if you're getting a big tax refund each year, you're doing it wrong! That's YOUR money that you could have been using all year. I always set my withholding to get as close to $0 refund as possible. At $42k, single, you're probably in the 22% tax bracket for some of your income. If you're getting a $2000 refund, that's like giving up $166/month that could be going to student loans, investments, or just living your life.

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But isn't it risky to cut it too close? I'd rather get a refund than owe money. Plus it's kind of like forced savings - I always use my refund for something important instead of blowing it on random stuff throughout the year.

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Eve Freeman

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There's a middle ground between getting a huge refund and owing the IRS. Ideally, you want to owe or receive less than $500 either way. The IRS doesn't penalize you if you owe less than $1,000 at tax time (as long as you've paid at least 90% of your total tax through withholding). As for the "forced savings" argument - you're basically giving the government an interest-free loan. If you struggle with saving, set up an automatic transfer to a high-yield savings account with each paycheck. Even at today's rates, you could be earning 4-5% on that money throughout the year instead of waiting for a refund that pays you 0%.

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Caden Turner

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Does anyone know if theres a diff between "exemptions" and "allowances"? My hr dept still uses an old form that says exemptions but everyones talking about allowances and the new W4... so confused right now lol.

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Sunny Wang

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They used to be similar concepts but slightly different things. Exemptions referred to the personal exemptions you could claim on your tax return (for yourself, spouse, dependents), while allowances on the old W-4 affected how much was withheld from your paycheck. Since 2018, personal exemptions were eliminated from tax returns by the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act. Then in 2020, the W-4 form was redesigned to remove allowances entirely. Now the W-4 asks more direct questions about multiple jobs, dependents, and additional income. If your company is still using forms with "exemptions," they're using outdated terminology. You might want to ask HR if they have the current W-4 form available.

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Hey Everett! I was in almost the exact same situation last year - 24, single, making around $45k. The confusion is totally understandable since they changed everything recently. Here's what I learned: forget about "exemptions" - that's old terminology. The current W-4 (redesigned in 2020) doesn't use allowances or exemptions anymore. Instead, it asks specific questions about your situation. For someone like you (single, one job, $42k), you'd typically just fill out Steps 1 (personal info) and 5 (signature). That's it. This gives you standard withholding that should get you close to breaking even at tax time. If you want to factor in your student loan interest deduction, you could add that estimated amount in Step 4(b) "Deductions" to reduce your withholding slightly and get a bit more in each paycheck. The key is finding the sweet spot where you don't owe much or get a huge refund. At your income level, even a $1,500 refund means you're missing out on $125/month that could go toward paying down those student loans faster. But you also don't want to owe more than you can handle come April. I'd recommend starting with the basic form (just Steps 1 and 5) and see how your first few paystubs look, then adjust if needed.

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Sean Flanagan

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This is really helpful advice! I'm in a similar boat as the original poster - just started my first "real" job out of college and was completely lost on the W-4. The fact that they got rid of the exemption numbers makes so much more sense now. Quick question though - you mentioned putting student loan interest in Step 4(b). How do you estimate that if you don't know exactly how much interest you'll pay for the whole year? Do you just use last year's amount or try to calculate it somehow?

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