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If all else fails and you can't figure out the exact amount, make a good faith estimate based on how many hours you worked and what your hourly rate was. The IRS mainly cares that you're making an honest effort to report your income. Just document how you came up with your estimate (like "worked approx 20 hours per week for 25 weeks at $15/hr = $7,500") and keep that with your tax records.

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I'd definitely recommend taking action sooner rather than later on this. From what you've described, it sounds like you were technically an employee (you asked to be put in the payroll system) rather than a contractor, so Form 8919 is probably your best bet like others mentioned. One thing to keep in mind - even if the business closed down, you might still be able to get some documentation. Try checking with your state's Secretary of State office or Department of Labor to see if they have any records of the business. Sometimes when businesses close, there are still ways to track down contact information for the former owner through business registration records. Also, start gathering any evidence you have now - old bank deposits, text messages about work schedules, anything that shows you worked there and roughly how much you earned. The IRS appreciates when taxpayers make a good faith effort to comply, especially when the situation wasn't their fault. Better to file with an estimate and be upfront about the situation than to not file at all.

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1098 Mortgage Interest Split Question - Unmarried Couple Both on Form - Who Can Claim What on Taxes? [WA State]

Okay so here's my situation - my partner and I own a house together in Washington state, both our names are on the mortgage and we got our 1098 showing around $19,800 in mortgage interest paid last year. Thing is, I earn quite a bit more than my partner does (like probably 3x as much) and I pay most of our bills including the mortgage payment each month. Everything technically comes from our joint checking account, but I'm the one putting most of the money in there. We're trying to figure out the best way to handle this on our taxes since we're not married and file separately. If I claim all the mortgage interest, I can definitely itemize and come out ahead of the standard deduction. But if we have to split it based on ownership (we both own 50%), then neither of us would have enough to make itemizing worth it. I've been researching this online and keep finding conflicting info. Some places say whoever pays can claim it, others say it has to be split by ownership percentage. We definitely don't want to get audited over this! Would I need to "gift" her portion to her if I claim the full amount? Is that even legal? We're on good terms (still together lol) so we're both fine with whatever approach gets us the most total refund between us, but want to do it right. The CPAs around here wanted like $600 to do our returns last year which ate up most of our refund, so I'm trying to handle it myself this time.

Amara Okafor

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Just went through this exact situation last year in Oregon (also unmarried couple, both on mortgage). What worked for us was creating a simple spreadsheet tracking each person's contributions to our joint account throughout the year, then using that percentage to split the mortgage interest deduction. Since you mentioned you contribute about 3x what your partner does, you'd probably end up with around 75% of the interest deduction. The IRS Publication 936 specifically addresses this - it says you can deduct mortgage interest you paid during the tax year, regardless of whose name is on the mortgage. Key documentation to keep: monthly bank statements showing deposits from each person, the mortgage payment records from your joint account, and maybe a simple signed agreement between you two stating how you're splitting it based on actual contributions. We kept it simple - just a one-page document saying "Partner A contributed 73% to joint account used for mortgage payments in 2024, therefore claims 73% of mortgage interest deduction per IRS Pub 936." Never had any issues and it allowed the higher earner to itemize while the other took standard deduction, maximizing our combined refund.

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Omar Zaki

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This is really helpful! I'm actually in a similar situation but in California. Did you run into any issues when you filed with that percentage split? I'm worried about getting flagged for audit since it's not a clean 50/50 split. Also, did you have your partner sign off on the agreement before or after you filed your taxes?

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This is such a common issue for unmarried couples! I went through something very similar last year. Based on my research and experience, you absolutely can claim the mortgage interest based on what you actually paid rather than just splitting it 50/50 by ownership. Since you're paying most of the mortgage from your joint account and contributing most of the funds, you can claim the corresponding percentage of the $19,800 interest. The IRS cares about who actually paid the interest, not just whose name is on the deed. Here's what I'd recommend: Start tracking your contributions to that joint account if you haven't already. If you can show you contributed, say, 75% of the funds used for mortgage payments, you can claim 75% of the mortgage interest deduction. This would give you about $14,850 in interest to deduct, which should easily put you over the standard deduction threshold for itemizing. Make sure to keep good records - bank statements showing your deposits to the joint account, mortgage payment records, etc. You might also want to create a simple written agreement with your partner documenting the arrangement, just in case. The key is being able to demonstrate your actual financial contribution if the IRS ever asks. Since you're earning 3x more and paying most of the bills, this approach should both be legitimate and give you the better tax outcome you're looking for.

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This is really solid advice! I'm just getting started with understanding all this tax stuff as a new homeowner. One question though - when you say "create a simple written agreement," does this need to be notarized or anything formal like that? Or is it more like just a basic document that both people sign? Also, for someone who's never itemized before, are there other deductions I should be looking at besides the mortgage interest? I'm wondering if there are other things I might be missing that could make itemizing even more worthwhile.

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Yara Nassar

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Does anyone know if tax withholding timing matters for the safe harbor rule? Like if I have most of my withholding happen in Q4 because of a year-end bonus, does that still count toward the 110% rule or do I need to spread it evenly?

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For W-2 withholding, the timing doesn't matter - the IRS treats withholding as occurring evenly throughout the year even if it actually happens in a lump sum at year-end. So a big Q4 bonus withholding still helps you meet safe harbor for the entire year. But this only applies to actual withholding, not estimated payments. If you're making quarterly estimated payments, those need to be timely for each quarter.

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One thing to watch out for - if you're using the 110% safe harbor rule, make sure you're looking at the right year's return! I made this mistake last year where I was calculating based on my 2022 return when I should have been using my 2023 return for my 2024 estimated payments. Also, if you had any tax credits that reduced your total tax on line 24, those are already factored in. Don't try to add them back - the safe harbor calculation uses your final total tax amount after all credits have been applied. This tripped me up because I thought I needed to use some "before credits" number, but nope, line 24 is exactly what you need. The 110% rule has saved me so much stress since my freelance income is all over the place. Even when I have a huge income spike, I know I'm covered as long as I hit that safe harbor amount.

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Sean Murphy

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This is really helpful! I'm new to estimated taxes and was getting confused about which year's return to use. So just to confirm - for my 2025 estimated tax payments, I should be using my 2024 return (the one I'll file in early 2025) to calculate the 110% safe harbor amount, right? And then that protects me for the entire 2025 tax year even if my income jumps way up?

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QuantumQuasar

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I had this exact same question last year! An IRA distribution is literally ANY money coming out of an IRA account - doesn't matter where it goes after. So yes, when u move $ from TIRA to Roth, that's a distribution. The trick is the tax treatment: - Regular withdrawal to your bank account = distribution (taxable + maybe penalties) - TIRA to Roth = distribution + conversion (taxable but no penalties) - IRA to IRA rollover = distribution but not taxable if done properly Report the whole amount on line 4a, and the taxable part on 4b. For backdoor Roth, those are usually the same number unless u had non-deductible contributions.

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This makes so much sense! So my 401k rollover to an IRA was technically a "distribution" too, but not a taxable one since the money stayed in a tax-advantaged account?

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Paloma Clark

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Hey Sean! I totally get the confusion - I was in the same boat when I first started doing my own taxes. Here's the simple breakdown: Yes, your TIRA to Roth conversion IS considered an IRA distribution and goes on line 4a. Think of it this way - money left your Traditional IRA account, so that's a "distribution" regardless of where it went next. For a backdoor Roth conversion: - Line 4a = total amount that came out of your TIRA - Line 4b = taxable portion of that amount If you made deductible contributions to your TIRA, then 4a and 4b will be the same (fully taxable). If you made non-deductible contributions, you'll need Form 8606 to calculate what portion is taxable. The key thing to remember: an IRA distribution is ANY money leaving an IRA account - whether you pocket it, convert it, or roll it over. The tax treatment varies, but they're all technically distributions. Don't stress too much about triggering an audit - as long as you report the numbers from your 1099-R correctly, you should be fine. The IRA custodian already sent those same numbers to the IRS anyway!

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Yuki Ito

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This is such a helpful explanation, Paloma! I'm dealing with a similar situation and your breakdown really clarifies things. One quick follow-up question - when you mention the 1099-R, should I expect to receive one for my backdoor Roth conversion? My IRA custodian hasn't sent me anything yet and I'm starting to worry I missed something important. Also, is there a deadline for when they have to send these forms out?

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Great question about this arrangement! I'm dealing with a similar situation and wanted to share some insights from my research and experience with family property tax strategies. One thing that hasn't been fully explored here is the potential for Section 280A issues if you go the rental route. Since your mom is a family member and you're not charging actual rent, the IRS could potentially challenge the "rental" classification under the personal use rules. The key is demonstrating legitimate business purpose and maintaining arm's-length documentation, even within the family. Also worth considering - if your mom's $130k contribution is substantial relative to the total purchase price (which it is at about 37%), you might want to explore treating this as a partial ownership interest rather than a gift or loan. This could potentially allow her to claim her proportional share of property tax deductions on her own return, which might be more valuable than the rental deductions for you given the passive loss limitations at your income level. Have you looked into whether your state offers any property tax deferrals or reductions for seniors? Some states allow property taxes to be deferred until sale or transfer, which could provide ongoing cash flow benefits even if the initial tax strategies don't work out as planned. The Medicare Part B premium point raised earlier is crucial - definitely verify how any reported rental income might affect her IRMAA (Income-Related Monthly Adjustment Amount) before implementing any strategy.

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This is really comprehensive advice, thank you! The Section 280A concern is something I definitely need to research more - I hadn't considered how the personal use rules might apply even with proper documentation. The partial ownership angle is intriguing too. If mom gets a 37% ownership interest proportional to her contribution, would that allow her to deduct 37% of the property taxes on her return? Given that she's likely in a much lower tax bracket than OP, those deductions might not be as valuable, but it could simplify the overall structure and avoid some of the complexity around rental treatment. I'm curious about one thing though - if we go the partial ownership route, how does that affect OP's ability to claim mortgage interest deductions? Would he only be able to deduct interest on the portion he "owns" or could he still deduct the full mortgage interest since he's the only one on the loan? Also wondering about your state property tax deferral suggestion - that sounds like it could provide real ongoing savings. Do you know if those programs typically have income limits or asset tests that might disqualify someone in this situation?

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This is such a thoughtful way to support your mom! I went through something similar when my father needed to relocate for health reasons. One strategy that worked well for us was establishing a formal caregiving agreement alongside the housing arrangement. Since you mentioned your mom is in her early 80s, you might be able to document some of your time spent helping her with daily activities, medical appointments, etc. as caregiving services. This creates legitimate business expenses you can deduct if you treat the property as rental - things like mileage for driving her to appointments, costs for home modifications for accessibility, even a portion of your time at a reasonable hourly rate. The key is keeping detailed records of the care you provide and treating it like a real business arrangement. This adds substance to the rental classification and gives you additional deductions beyond just the property expenses. It also helps justify the below-market rent situation since you're providing valuable services in exchange. Just make sure any caregiving payments stay within reasonable bounds for your area - the IRS will scrutinize family arrangements, but if you can show legitimate value being provided, it strengthens the overall tax strategy considerably.

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This caregiving agreement approach is brilliant! I hadn't thought about how providing care services could help justify the rental arrangement and create additional legitimate deductions. The documentation aspect seems key - do you have any suggestions on what kind of records worked best for you? I'm thinking a simple log of hours spent on different activities, but wondering if there are specific forms or templates that help establish the business nature of the arrangement. Also curious about the hourly rate calculation - did you base it on local home health aide rates or use some other benchmark? I want to make sure everything is defensible if questioned, but also maximize the legitimate value of services being provided. The mileage deduction for medical appointments is especially appealing since those trips add up quickly. Did you track those separately from other caregiving-related travel, or just lump it all together under the business expense category?

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