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Don't forget about the Earned Income Credit! My ex and I live together with our kids (not married) and we found out that if the lower earning parent claims the kids, you might qualify for EIC which can be substantial.
But they both make six figures. EIC phases out completely around $60k even with multiple kids. They're way beyond the income limits for that credit.
You're totally right! I completely missed the part about them both making around $120k. At that income level, they're definitely over the EIC threshold. For their income level, they should focus more on optimizing the Child Tax Credit, Additional Child Tax Credit, and the Child and Dependent Care Credit. They should also carefully consider who should claim Head of Household status since that provides a more favorable tax bracket structure than filing as Single.
As someone who went through a very similar situation last year with my partner, I'd strongly recommend running the numbers both ways before deciding. We have two kids (3 and 5) and similar income levels, and initially thought splitting the dependents made the most sense. However, after calculating everything out, we found that having me claim both children and file as Head of Household saved us about $2,800 compared to each claiming one child. The key was figuring out who actually pays "more than half" of the home maintenance costs - it's not just mortgage, but also utilities, repairs, property taxes, homeowner's insurance, etc. Since you own the home, you're probably paying property taxes and homeowner's insurance directly, which might push you over the 50% threshold even with her contributing half the mortgage payment. I'd suggest adding up ALL your housing costs for the year and see where you land. Also, whoever claims the kids can claim the childcare expenses for the Dependent Care Credit, regardless of who physically writes the checks to the daycare. This credit can be worth up to $2,100 for two kids, so factor that into your calculations too. One last tip - keep detailed records of who pays what throughout the year. The IRS sometimes scrutinizes unmarried couples' filing status more closely than married couples.
As someone who recently completed a similar transaction selling my family medicine practice to a non-physician management group, I want to emphasize the importance of getting your legal structure right from day one. The MSO arrangement mentioned by others is absolutely the way to go, but there are some nuances that can make or break the deal. One critical point that hasn't been fully addressed is the employment agreement structure for the physician who will eventually take over your S-Corp ownership. We initially planned for me to transfer ownership to a new physician employee after 18 months, but discovered that the employment terms needed to be carefully structured to avoid creating tax issues under IRC Section 409A (deferred compensation rules). The key insight from my experience is that the management fee percentage needs to be genuinely arm's length and documented with a formal valuation study. We used 20% of collections, but had to provide extensive documentation showing this was market rate for the services provided. The IRS scrutinizes these arrangements heavily, especially when the percentage seems high relative to the actual management services. Also, don't overlook the impact on your retirement plan assets. If your S-Corp has a 401(k) or profit-sharing plan, the sale structure affects whether you can maintain those benefits or need to distribute/roll over the assets. In our case, we had to terminate the existing plan and establish new arrangements, which created some unexpected timing issues for both me and my employees. The good news is that when structured properly, these deals can work extremely well for both parties. The buyers get operational control and cash flow, while you get capital gains treatment on the sale proceeds and a clean exit strategy.
This is extremely valuable information about the Section 409A implications - I hadn't even considered how the employment agreement for the successor physician could trigger deferred compensation rules. That seems like exactly the kind of technical detail that could derail an otherwise well-structured transaction. The point about documenting the management fee with a formal valuation study is particularly important. I'm wondering - did you hire an independent valuation firm specifically for this, or was it something your attorney or CPA could handle? Given the IRS scrutiny you mentioned, it seems like having third-party validation of the fee structure would be essential. The retirement plan complications you mentioned are also concerning. How far in advance did you need to start planning for the plan termination? I have a decent amount in our practice 401(k) and hadn't thought about how the sale structure might force early distribution of those assets. One follow-up question about your 18-month transition period - were you able to maintain full clinical autonomy during that time, or did the MSO start influencing clinical decisions even before the ownership transfer was complete?
We hired an independent valuation firm specifically for the management fee documentation - it cost about $15K but was absolutely worth it for the credibility with the IRS. Our attorney recommended against trying to do this internally since the IRS views self-prepared valuations skeptically in MSO arrangements. For the retirement plan, we started the termination process about 6 months before closing. The timing is critical because you need to provide proper notice to participants and coordinate with the plan administrator. We were able to facilitate direct rollovers for most employees, but a few chose lump-sum distributions which created some tax complications for them. Regarding clinical autonomy during the transition - this was actually one of the most important negotiation points. We maintained 100% clinical decision-making authority, and the MSO agreement explicitly prohibited any interference with medical judgments. They handled billing, scheduling, HR, and facilities management, but all patient care decisions remained entirely with the physicians. This separation is crucial both for regulatory compliance and for maintaining your medical license protections. The key is making sure the MSO agreement clearly delineates which functions are "clinical" vs "administrative" and ensures the MSO stays strictly on the administrative side. Any blurring of these lines can create serious regulatory issues with your state medical board.
The insights about valuation methodology and its tax implications are spot on. I went through a similar process selling my gastroenterology practice and found that the allocation between personal goodwill versus practice goodwill was absolutely critical for tax treatment. One aspect I'd add is the importance of understanding how your existing contracts with hospitals or ASCs might be affected. In my case, we had several co-management agreements with local hospitals that couldn't be directly transferred to the MSO due to Stark Law considerations. We had to restructure these arrangements, which reduced the overall practice value but was necessary for compliance. Also, consider the impact on your malpractice insurance. Tail coverage requirements can be substantial - in my case, it was nearly $180K for extended reporting coverage. Make sure the purchase agreement clearly specifies who bears this cost, as it can significantly impact your net proceeds from the sale. The earnout structures mentioned earlier are smart, but be very careful about the metrics used. We initially considered patient retention targets, but realized that specialty practices like gastroenterology can have natural patient turnover due to procedure-based care versus ongoing relationship-based care in primary care specialties. Finally, don't underestimate the emotional aspect of selling a practice you've built. The financial and legal complexity is manageable with good advisors, but preparing mentally for the transition and loss of complete autonomy takes time. Starting those conversations with family early in the process is just as important as getting the tax structure right.
I received my refund through Venmo yesterday (3/14) even though my DDD was 3/15! It posted at 2:18pm EST and showed up as "US TREASURY 310 TAX REF" just like others have mentioned. I was worried about potential delays after reading horror stories, but it actually came a day early. For anyone still waiting, I'd suggest checking your account transcript on the IRS website - if you see the TC846 code with your DDD, the money is definitely on its way. Venmo seems to process these deposits in the afternoon, so don't panic if you don't see it first thing in the morning like with traditional banks. Hang in there!
That's such a relief to hear! I'm also waiting for a 3/15 DDD and have been anxiously checking all day. It's reassuring to know that Venmo can actually deposit early sometimes. Did you get any notification from Venmo when it hit, or did you just happen to check at the right time? I've been setting reminders to check every few hours since I don't want to miss it when it comes through.
I've been using Venmo for tax refunds for three years now, and here's what I've learned about their timing patterns: They typically process government ACH deposits in two batches - one around 11:30am EST and another around 3:15pm EST. For DDD 3/15, I'd expect most Venmo deposits to hit during that afternoon batch today. Last year my refund was 6 hours later than my friend who used Chase, but it did arrive on the correct DDD. One tip that helped reduce my anxiety - enable push notifications in your Venmo app so you'll get an alert immediately when it posts. The waiting game is brutal, but from what I've observed, Venmo is generally reliable for tax refunds, just slower than traditional banks. Keep checking through 5pm today before worrying!
Thanks for sharing those specific timing windows! I'm new to using Venmo for tax refunds and this is exactly the kind of detailed info I was looking for. My DDD is also 3/15 and I've been checking obsessively since midnight. It's now 1:30pm EST so sounds like I should watch for that afternoon batch you mentioned around 3:15pm. I definitely enabled notifications after reading your suggestion - great tip! Did you ever experience any delays beyond the normal DDD, or have they always been pretty consistent with getting it to you on the right day even if it's later in the day?
I wanted to add that getting an EIN is super easy these days. You can do it online at the IRS website and get your EIN immediately. It's free and takes maybe 15 minutes tops. Here's the link: https://www.irs.gov/businesses/small-businesses-self-employed/apply-for-an-employer-identification-number-ein-online Don't waste money on those "EIN services" that charge you for something you can do yourself for free. Just make sure you have your LLC formation docs handy because they'll ask for the formation date and state.
I tried the online application last week and it wouldn't work for me for some reason. Kept getting an error when I submitted. Is there a certain time of day that's better?
From personal experience, you absolutely want to set up proper business banking from day one. I made the mistake of using a personal account for my first few months of LLC operations and it became a nightmare during tax season - trying to separate business expenses from personal ones was incredibly time-consuming. Regarding the EIN vs SSN question: while you CAN use your SSN for a single-member LLC, I'd strongly recommend getting an EIN anyway. It's free, takes 15 minutes online, and makes everything smoother with banks. Plus, you'll need it eventually if you ever hire employees or change your tax election. Don't let the banking decision hold up getting paid! Most banks can set up a business account quickly once you have your LLC docs and EIN. Credit unions are often faster and cheaper than big banks for small business accounts. The key is keeping those business transactions completely separate from personal ones to maintain your liability protection.
This is really helpful advice! I'm curious about your experience with credit unions - did you find they were more flexible about the documentation requirements? I'm still waiting on some of my LLC paperwork to be finalized and wondering if I should wait or if there are banks that might work with incomplete docs. Also, when you mention it became a nightmare during tax season, was it just the time spent categorizing transactions, or were there actual compliance issues with mixing the accounts? I'm trying to understand if using a personal account temporarily could create real problems beyond just inconvenience.
Sean O'Connor
Btw is anyone else having issues with TurboTax when trying to figure this out? It keeps giving me confusing prompts about whether i "can" be claimed vs if i "will" be claimed as a dependent.
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Zara Ahmed
ā¢Yeah, TurboTax is super confusing on this! The question isn't whether you WILL be claimed, but whether you CAN legally be claimed based on the tests the others mentioned. I ended up using FreeTaxUSA instead because their questions were more straightforward about dependency status.
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Fatima Al-Qasimi
Great question, Malik! The key thing to remember is that all four dependency tests have to be met for your parents to claim you - if you fail even one test, they can't claim you as a dependent. From what you've described, it sounds like you're failing the support test since you're paying for your own tuition, rent, and living expenses. The fact that you're under 24 and a full-time student only matters if your parents are ALSO providing more than half your support. One thing to be extra careful about: make sure you're counting everything when you calculate support. This includes the fair market value of housing (even dorm rooms), all food costs, medical expenses, transportation, etc. If you lived with your parents for those few months during shutdown, you'd need to factor in the value of that housing too. Since you mentioned loans and scholarships - student loans in YOUR name count as support YOU provided to yourself, while scholarships are generally considered third-party support and don't count toward either side's percentage. Keep detailed records of all your expenses from this year in case there are any questions later. Sounds like you're on the right track to file independently!
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