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Evelyn Kim

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Quick question - does anyone know if tax software like TurboTax handles this kind of cash income reporting well? Or is it better to use a specialized self-employment tool?

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Diego Fisher

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I used TurboTax last year for my dog walking side gig. It was pretty straightforward - it asks you questions about your business income and expenses, and fills out Schedule C for you. The only annoying thing was that the really helpful features are only in the Self-Employed version which costs more.

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Just wanted to share my experience since I was in almost the exact same situation last year! I was doing landscaping and pet sitting for neighbors, all cash payments, and made about $3,800. You definitely need to report it all on Schedule C - there's no minimum threshold for reporting income, even if it's just $50. What really helped me was setting up a simple notebook where I wrote down every payment as soon as I got it. Date, amount, what the work was for. Super basic but it saved me when tax time came. One thing that caught me off guard was the self-employment tax. Since you made over $400, you'll owe about 15.3% of your net earnings for Social Security and Medicare on top of regular income tax. It's calculated on Schedule SE. But remember you can deduct business expenses - gas for driving to jobs, tools you bought specifically for the work, even supplies for dog sitting like leashes or treats if you provided them. The whole thing seemed overwhelming at first but once I got through it the first time, it wasn't nearly as bad as I expected. Just keep good records and you'll be fine!

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Debra Bai

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This is super helpful, thank you! The self-employment tax part is what I'm most worried about since I had no idea that was even a thing. So just to make sure I understand - if I made $4,200, I'd owe about 15.3% of that (around $643) PLUS whatever regular income tax applies to that amount? That seems like a lot more than I was expecting to pay. Also, for the business expenses - do you have any examples of what kind of receipts the IRS would want to see? Like if I bought a rake for yard work, do I need to keep that receipt even though it was only $25?

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Eva St. Cyr

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Let me add a wrinkle most people don't know - if you distributed any business assets to yourself during the dissolution (like computers, furniture, etc.), that needs to be reported as a liquidating distribution on your final 1120-S. The corporation is treated as having sold these assets to you at fair market value. I completely messed this up when closing my S-corp and ended up having to amend returns. Cost me an extra $400 in accounting fees!

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Do you know if this applies to intangible assets too? Like if the business owned trademarks or domain names that I'm keeping personally?

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Darcy Moore

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I went through this exact same situation with my S-corp dissolution last year and want to emphasize something that might save you some headaches - make sure you also cancel your EIN with the IRS after everything is filed and processed. Even after filing all the final returns (1120-S, Form 966, etc.) and getting state dissolution completed, I kept getting IRS notices asking about missing tax returns for subsequent years because the EIN was still active in their system. You have to specifically write to the IRS requesting EIN cancellation and include copies of your dissolution documents. Also, if you had any business bank accounts, credit cards, or merchant services tied to your EIN, close those ASAP. Some banks will report 1099s to closed business EINs which can trigger more IRS correspondence down the road. The penalty situation sucks, but as others mentioned, first-time penalty abatement is usually granted if you've been compliant in the past. Get everything filed immediately to stop the bleeding, then deal with penalty relief afterward.

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This is really helpful advice about the EIN cancellation! I had no idea that was a separate step. Do you happen to know what address or department at the IRS you need to write to for EIN cancellation? And roughly how long it took for them to process your request? I'm worried about getting those phantom tax return notices you mentioned - that sounds like exactly the kind of bureaucratic nightmare I'm trying to avoid by handling everything properly upfront.

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Chloe Harris

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Just wondering - have you looked into equity compensation restructuring? If a portion of that $1.1M is from stock options, RSUs or other equity comp, there are timing strategies that can make a huge difference. I saved nearly 6 figures last year by working with my employer to adjust my vesting schedule and exercise timing.

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This is actually really interesting. What specifically did you do with your vesting schedule that helped? I have about 30% of my comp in equity and never considered that there might be flexibility there.

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Given your income level, I'd strongly recommend looking into conservation easements if you own any land or are considering real estate investments. These can provide substantial tax deductions - sometimes 4-5x your investment - while preserving land for conservation purposes. Also, consider a defined benefit pension plan if you have any self-employment income or consulting work on the side. These allow much higher contributions than traditional 401ks - potentially $200k+ annually depending on your age and income. One strategy that's often overlooked is bunching deductions into alternate years. Since you're likely itemizing anyway, consider prepaying property taxes, state taxes (up to the SALT cap), and charitable donations in alternating years to maximize the benefit. Finally, if you're married, look into spousal IRA contributions and income-splitting strategies through family partnerships for any investment income. The key at your level is having multiple strategies working together rather than relying on any single approach.

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These are some really advanced strategies I hadn't heard of before. The conservation easement idea sounds intriguing but also potentially risky - are there specific compliance requirements or audit risks I should be aware of? Also, regarding the defined benefit pension plan, wouldn't I need to have actual employees to make that work, or can it be set up for just myself if I have some consulting income on the side?

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Ava Garcia

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Has anyone tried bunching charitable deductions? With the higher standard deduction ($29,200 for married filing jointly in 2024), we've started doing this where we donate 2-3 years worth of charitable contributions in a single year so we can itemize that year, then take the standard deduction in the off years. We're also looking into donor-advised funds where you can get the tax deduction immediately but distribute the actual charitable gifts over time. Anyone have experience with these strategies?

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StarSailor}

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We've been doing the bunching strategy for 3 years now and it works really well. We donate to our church and various charities in January and December of the same year, then nothing the next year. Increases our deduction by about $6,500 in the "on" years. Never tried a donor-advised fund though - seems like it might have fees that eat into the benefit?

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Zainab Ali

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One strategy you might be overlooking is a backdoor Roth IRA conversion. Since your MAGI is over $146K and you can't deduct traditional IRA contributions, you could still contribute $7,000 to a non-deductible traditional IRA, then immediately convert it to a Roth IRA. This won't reduce your current tax liability, but it's tax-free growth for retirement. Also, since you mentioned having kids, make sure you're getting the full Child Tax Credit ($2,000 per child under 17). The credit phases out at higher incomes but doesn't start until $400K for married filing jointly. Another option: If your employer offers a cafeteria plan or flexible spending account beyond just healthcare, you might be able to redirect some compensation to pre-tax benefits like commuter benefits, life insurance premiums, or dependent care assistance. Finally, consider timing any major purchases or medical expenses. If you're close to the 7.5% AGI threshold for medical deductions, you might bunch medical expenses into one year to exceed the threshold.

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Great point about the backdoor Roth IRA! I'm in a similar income situation and have been hesitant to do this because I heard about something called the "pro-rata rule" - if you already have money in traditional IRAs, doesn't that complicate the conversion? I have about $15K in an old traditional IRA from a previous employer that I never rolled over to my 401k. Would I need to convert all of it to make the backdoor Roth work properly? Also, for the medical expense bunching strategy you mentioned - are there any timing restrictions on when you can schedule things like dental work or elective procedures to maximize the tax benefit?

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Demi Lagos

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This thread has been incredibly helpful! As someone who just moved to the US and is filing taxes for the first time, I was completely overwhelmed by all the formatting requirements. I ended up going with parentheses for all my negative numbers after reading through the official IRS publications mentioned here. What really helped was printing out a draft copy of my return and going through it line by line to make sure I was consistent throughout all the forms. One thing I learned that might help other newcomers - if you're used to different accounting standards from your home country, the US system can feel confusing at first. In my country we always use minus signs, so switching to parentheses felt weird initially. But after using them consistently, it actually makes the forms much easier to read. Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences and resources. It's reassuring to know that even small formatting questions have such a supportive community willing to help out!

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Welcome to the US tax system! Your approach of printing out a draft and checking line by line is really smart - I wish I had thought of that my first year. It's so easy to mix formats when you're switching between different forms. I totally understand the adjustment from minus signs to parentheses. Coming from a different country's system myself, the little formatting differences felt surprisingly important when you're already nervous about getting everything right. One tip that helped me - I kept a small note taped to my computer monitor that just said "USE PARENTHESES" while I was working on my taxes. Sounds silly, but it prevented me from defaulting back to what felt natural from my home country's system. Glad this community could help make your first US tax filing less stressful! The formatting will become second nature after a couple years.

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NebulaNova

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This has been such a comprehensive discussion! As someone who works in tax preparation, I wanted to add a few practical points that might help future filers: If you're using tax software and still want to double-check your formatting, most programs have a "preview" or "form view" option that shows exactly how your return will look when printed or submitted. This is a great way to verify that negative numbers are formatted consistently before filing. Also, for those worried about rejection due to formatting - in my experience, the IRS automated processing systems are quite forgiving with minor formatting variations. Returns are much more likely to be flagged for mathematical errors, missing signatures, or incorrect SSNs than for using minus signs vs. parentheses. That said, following the standard conventions (parentheses for paper forms, letting software handle electronic filing) is always the safest approach. When in doubt, consistency within your own return is more important than perfect adherence to any single format standard. Great job everyone sharing resources and experiences - this kind of community support makes tax season so much less intimidating for newcomers!

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