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This is exactly the kind of confusion I had when I started with rental properties! The key thing to understand is that depreciation carryover only applies if you owned the property in previous years - since this is your first year, you don't have any carryover amounts to worry about. For your kitchen improvements, those $8,500 in costs will need to be depreciated over their useful life (typically 5-15 years depending on what you installed), not deducted all at once. The depreciation starts when the property was "placed in service" - meaning ready for rent, not when tenants actually moved in. One tip: make sure you're separating the land value from the building value when calculating your depreciation basis. Only the building and improvements can be depreciated, not the land itself. You can usually find this breakdown on your property tax assessment or have an appraiser determine it. Keep detailed records of all improvements with dates and costs - you'll need this information every year going forward, and it becomes crucial when you eventually sell the property for calculating depreciation recapture.

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Honorah King

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This is really helpful! I'm also a first-time landlord and was getting overwhelmed by all the depreciation terminology. One question - when you mention separating land value from building value, how do you handle that if your property tax assessment doesn't break it down clearly? My county just shows one total assessed value. Should I be getting a professional appraisal just for tax purposes, or is there a simpler way to estimate this split?

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Diez Ellis

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Great question! You don't need to get a professional appraisal just for this. The IRS actually accepts several reasonable methods for determining the land/building split. The most common approach is to use your county assessor's records - even if they show one total, you can often call the assessor's office and they'll provide the breakdown they use internally. Another accepted method is to look at comparable vacant land sales in your area and estimate what your lot would be worth empty. You can also use the replacement cost method - estimate what it would cost to rebuild the structure today, then subtract that from your total property value to get the land value. The key is being reasonable and consistent. The IRS isn't looking for perfection here, just a good faith effort to separate the depreciable building from the non-depreciable land. I'd suggest starting with a call to your county assessor - they're usually helpful and it's free. Document whatever method you use in case you're ever asked about it later.

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Zoe Stavros

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I went through this exact same situation last year! As a new landlord, the depreciation terminology can be really overwhelming, but you're actually in a simple position since this is your first year. You don't have any depreciation carryover to worry about - that only applies if you owned rental property in previous years. The software is just asking the question to cover all scenarios. For your $8,500 kitchen improvements, you can't deduct the full amount this year. Kitchen renovations typically get depreciated over 5-15 years depending on what you installed (appliances vs. permanent fixtures like cabinets). The good news is your tax software should calculate this automatically once you enter the details. One important point: your depreciation period starts when the property was "placed in service" (ready to rent), not when tenants moved in. So if it was ready in October but tenants didn't move in until November, you'd still calculate from October. My advice is to create a simple spreadsheet tracking all your improvements with dates and costs. This will make future tax years much easier and help if you ever need to calculate depreciation recapture when you sell. The record-keeping is just as important as getting this year's taxes right!

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Eduardo Silva

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This is such a relief to hear from someone who went through the same thing! I was getting really stressed about messing up my first year of rental property taxes. Quick question - when you mention creating a spreadsheet for tracking improvements, do you also track the regular maintenance and repairs separately? I'm having trouble figuring out what counts as an improvement that needs to be depreciated versus regular expenses I can deduct immediately. For example, I replaced a broken dishwasher - is that an improvement or a repair?

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Lim Wong

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I'm at week 9 with my amended return and this thread is such a relief to find! Filed in early August to claim some overlooked dependent care expenses that should get me about $1,400 back. The "Where's My Amended Return" tool has been showing "received" since I filed, with zero movement. What's been driving me crazy is that I keep second-guessing whether I did something wrong or if there's an issue with my paperwork. But reading everyone's experiences here makes it clear this is just the brutal reality of IRS processing times right now. It's honestly insane that in 2025 we're dealing with 20+ week processing times for basic corrections. I'm definitely going to start the documentation approach everyone's mentioned - taking weekly screenshots and keeping a log. It shouldn't be necessary, but clearly we need to protect ourselves given how broken this system is. Based on all the timelines shared here, it looks like I'm in for another 9-13 weeks of waiting. At least knowing what to expect helps manage the anxiety! Thanks to everyone for sharing their experiences - it's reassuring to know we're all stuck in this together. Here's hoping the IRS gets their act together soon, though I'm not holding my breath.

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StarStrider

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@Lim Wong You re'definitely not alone in this! Week 9 puts you right at the beginning of what everyone here is experiencing. That dependent care expense correction is absolutely worth pursuing - $1,400 is significant money, especially with how expensive everything is right now. I m'actually new to this community but have been lurking and reading everyone s'experiences. I filed my amended return about 6 weeks ago for some missed student loan interest deductions that should get me around $800 back. Seeing all these timelines has been both reassuring and terrifying - reassuring because clearly this isn t'just happening to me, but terrifying because I m'looking at potentially 4+ more months of waiting! The documentation strategy everyone keeps mentioning is really smart. I just started doing it myself after reading through this thread. It s'crazy that we have to create our own paper trails because the IRS can t'provide basic status updates, but here we are. At least you re'getting in early on the tracking - I wish I had started from day one instead of week 6 when I finally got frustrated enough to start keeping records. Based on what everyone s'sharing, you ve'got a long road ahead but you ll'get there eventually. We re'all in this ridiculous waiting game together!

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I'm at week 22 with my amended return and just wanted to give everyone some hope - I FINALLY got movement! Filed in late May for some missed contractor expense deductions (should result in about $3,800 refund), and after months of that soul-crushing "received" status, the "Where's My Amended Return" tool updated to "processing" yesterday. I actually got so used to checking it obsessively that I almost didn't notice the change at first! No notification or anything, just happened to check during my usual morning routine and there it was - actual progress after nearly 6 months of radio silence. Based on what I've read from others who've made it through this process, "processing" typically means you're in the final stretch - maybe 2-4 more weeks until completion. I'll keep everyone updated on my timeline since I know how valuable these real experiences are when you're stuck in the waiting game. To everyone still in the "received" phase - hang in there! The documentation strategy everyone's been sharing really paid off for me. I have a complete record of my 22-week journey that I'm definitely keeping for future reference. This whole experience has been a masterclass in how broken the IRS system really is, but at least we're all supporting each other through it!

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CosmicCruiser

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Has anyone used tax software for their estimated taxes after switching to self-employment? I'm trying to figure out if TurboTax or something else would help with this calculation or if I need to work with an actual accountant.

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Aisha Khan

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I've been using QuickBooks Self-Employed which connects with TurboTax. It tracks all my income and expenses throughout the year and automatically calculates my estimated taxes each quarter. Much cheaper than an accountant and it handles the safe harbor calculation automatically.

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Sofia PeΓ±a

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Great question! I went through this exact transition last year and it was definitely confusing at first. The key thing to understand is that the safe harbor rule applies to your TOTAL tax liability from the previous year, which includes both income tax and self-employment tax components. However, since you were a W2 employee in 2024, your prior year tax liability didn't include self-employment tax - only income tax and your employee portion of FICA. Now that you're self-employed, you'll owe the full self-employment tax (15.3% on net earnings up to the Social Security wage base). My advice: Use the safe harbor as your baseline protection against penalties, but definitely calculate what you'll actually owe based on your projected 2025 income. The self-employment tax alone can be a significant jump from what you paid as a W2 employee. I found it helpful to set aside about 25-30% of my gross self-employment income for taxes, which covered both income tax and self-employment tax comfortably. Also, don't forget you can deduct half of your self-employment tax as an adjustment to income, which helps reduce the overall burden somewhat. Good luck with your first year of self-employment!

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Nia Wilson

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This is really helpful, especially the point about setting aside 25-30% of gross income! I'm curious about the deduction for half of self-employment tax - does that apply in the year you pay it, or does it affect the following year's calculations? Also, when you mention calculating what you'll "actually owe" beyond the safe harbor minimum, are there any simple methods to estimate that without getting too deep into complex projections? I'm trying to balance being responsible with not overcomplicating things in my first year.

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Tom Maxon

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To all those having trouble reaching a human at IRS. I just ran across this video that gave me a shortcut to reach a human. Hope it helps! https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c

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Hey Shay! Don't panic - this message doesn't automatically mean you're getting audited. The "delayed beyond normal timeframe" with Tax Topic 152 is super common, especially if you claimed credits like EITC, Child Tax Credit, or Additional Child Tax Credit. The IRS has to do extra verification on these returns by law, which can add 8-12 weeks to processing time. It could also be something simple like a math error, missing form, or identity verification. I'd suggest checking your IRS account transcript online to see if there are any notices or codes that might give you more insight into what's causing the delay. Hang in there!

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Zainab Ahmed

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Thanks Sophie! That's really helpful to know about the EITC and CTC verification requirements. I did claim the Child Tax Credit this year so that might explain it. How do I check my IRS account transcript online? Is that different from the Where's My tool?

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Zadie Patel

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I work in municipal finance and see these kinds of mix-ups more often than you'd expect, especially with common names. The frustrating part is that many tax office clerks don't fully understand the procedures for correcting these errors, which is why you're getting the runaround. A few additional points to consider: First, most states have laws requiring tax offices to maintain reasonable identification procedures when accepting payments. When you specifically requested YOUR bill and they handed you someone else's, that's a failure of their verification process, not your mistake. Second, you mentioned paying in cash - make sure you have a receipt showing the date, amount, and any property identifiers. This documentation will be crucial for any formal complaint process. Third, if the informal approaches don't work, consider contacting your state's Department of Revenue or equivalent agency. They often have oversight authority over local tax collection procedures and can intervene when counties aren't following proper protocols. The bottom line is that you shouldn't be financially penalized for their administrative error. Keep pushing back - this is absolutely their responsibility to correct, not yours to just accept.

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Diego Fisher

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This is exactly the kind of insight I needed to hear from someone who actually works in the system! You're absolutely right that this feels like I'm being penalized for their mistake. I do have the receipt showing the payment date and amount, though I'm not sure if it has the property identifiers on it - I'll need to dig it out and check. The point about state oversight is really interesting. I hadn't thought about going above the county level, but if they have authority over local tax collection procedures, that could be a powerful lever. Do you know if there's typically a formal complaint process at the state level, or is it more informal outreach? Also, when you mention "reasonable identification procedures," is there a standard I can point to? It would be helpful to have specific language about what they should have done differently when I requested my bill.

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Chloe Taylor

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This is exactly why I always photograph or scan any tax bills before paying them, even when I think they're correct. With common names like Thomas Wilson, these mix-ups are bound to happen more frequently than anyone wants to admit. One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet - since you own multiple properties and there's another Thomas Wilson who also owns multiple properties, have you considered requesting that the tax office implement additional verification procedures going forward? Maybe requiring the last four digits of your SSN or a PIN system when requesting bills for common names? This won't help your current situation, but it might prevent this nightmare from happening to you or someone else in the future. Sometimes framing your complaint as a "process improvement suggestion" along with requesting your money back can make bureaucrats more receptive - they like to feel like they're implementing solutions rather than just fixing problems. Also, definitely keep escalating up the chain. In my experience, the people with actual authority to authorize transfers or refunds are rarely the ones working the front counter.

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