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RIGHT?! This waiting game is brutal š©
Just wanted to share my experience with cycle 05 - filed on 1/20 and got the same code. Been refreshing WMR obsessively until I found this thread! Thanks for the heads up about waiting until tomorrow morning, gonna save my sanity tonight š Also curious about that taxr.ai tool everyone's mentioning - might give it a shot since I'm tired of trying to decode my transcript myself
Welcome to the cycle 05 waiting club! š Smart move avoiding the refresh marathon tonight - I learned that lesson the hard way last year. That taxr.ai thing really is worth trying, just used it myself and it's way less stressful than staring at those cryptic transcript codes all day. Good luck with your refund! š¤
This is actually a really important question that @Freya Andersen raised. When I had my returns done, they were definitely e-filed - I got the electronic confirmation and everything. But now that you mention it, I never really paid attention to what software they were using or how the process worked on their end. If the software requires a valid PTIN to e-file as a paid preparer, then either they somehow got around that requirement or they're filing under someone else's PTIN. Both scenarios are pretty concerning and suggest this might be more serious than just forgetting to renew their registration. I'm definitely going to ask them directly about this when I confront them about the PTIN issue. The fact that they've been able to e-file for years without a valid PTIN suggests there might be some deliberate deception going on rather than just an oversight.
This is a really good point about the e-filing system requirements. I'm new to understanding all this, but it seems like if they've been successfully e-filing your returns for years without a valid PTIN, that suggests they might be using someone else's credentials or found some way around the system. That would make this way more serious than just an administrative oversight. Have you checked your actual tax returns to see whose PTIN appears on them? That might give you a clue about what's really going on here. If there's no PTIN listed at all or if there's someone else's PTIN, that could help you understand how they've been managing to file electronically.
As someone who's been through IRS issues before, I'd strongly recommend documenting everything before you confront your preparer. Make copies of all your past returns, any correspondence, receipts for payments to them, etc. The e-filing point that others raised is crucial - if they've been successfully e-filing without a valid PTIN, they're either using someone else's credentials (identity theft/fraud) or somehow gaming the system. Both are serious federal violations. I'd also suggest checking the IRS Preparer Directory online to see if your preparer appears there at all. You can search by name and location. If they're not listed anywhere, that's another red flag. Before confronting them directly, you might want to file Form 14157 first. That way if they become hostile or try to cover their tracks after you ask questions, you've already gotten your complaint on record with the IRS. The last thing you want is for them to disappear or destroy records once they know you're onto them.
I went through this exact same nightmare situation last year! The non-filer tool definitely creates what the IRS considers a "simplified return" even though it feels like you're just updating your info for stimulus payments. Here's what worked for me: I ended up calling the IRS early in the morning (around 7 AM) right when they opened - had much better luck getting through than calling later in the day. The agent was actually really helpful and explained that they see this issue constantly. She told me to mail in a paper return with a cover letter explaining the situation. One thing I learned that might help - when you file the paper return, include Form 1040X (Amended Return) along with your regular 1040. Write "SUPERSEDING RETURN" at the top of the 1040X. This tells them you're replacing the simplified return from the non-filer tool with your actual complete return. The agent said this helps their processing center handle it correctly the first time instead of getting bounced around different departments. Also definitely file an extension if you're running out of time - you can do that online even with this duplicate issue. Gives you until October to get the paper return sorted out without penalties.
This is incredibly helpful - thank you for the detailed walkthrough! I had no idea about using Form 1040X alongside the regular return or marking it as "SUPERSEDING RETURN." That sounds like it could save a lot of processing headaches on their end. Quick question - when you included the 1040X, did you fill out all the sections showing the differences between the non-filer submission and your actual return, or did you just use it as a flag to indicate you were superseding the previous filing? I'm worried about making it more complicated than it needs to be. Also, the early morning call tip is gold - I've been trying to reach them during lunch hours and getting nowhere!
For the 1040X, I didn't fill out all the detailed comparison sections - that would have been way too complicated since the non-filer tool created such a basic return. I basically just filled in the top portion with my personal info and wrote "SUPERSEDING NON-FILER TOOL SUBMISSION FROM [DATE]" in the explanation section. Then I attached it to my complete 1040 with all the actual tax information. The key thing the IRS agent told me was that marking it as "SUPERSEDING" tells their system to completely replace the previous filing rather than trying to reconcile differences. Much cleaner process than an amendment. And yes, definitely try the early morning calls! I think a lot of people don't realize the IRS phone lines open at 7 AM. Way less crowded than calling at 10 AM when everyone else is trying to reach them.
This is such a frustrating situation that so many people are dealing with! I went through something similar with the non-filer tool creating issues, but I found a different approach that worked for me. Instead of calling the IRS directly (which can be a nightmare with wait times), I contacted my local Taxpayer Advocate Service office. They're specifically designed to help with situations like this where there are processing issues or systemic problems. The advocate I worked with was able to flag my case and get it resolved much faster than going through regular IRS channels. You can find your local office at taxpayeradvocate.irs.gov. They don't charge anything and they're really good at cutting through the bureaucratic mess. In my case, they were able to clear the duplicate flag in their system so I could actually e-file my real return instead of having to do paper filing. Just another option to consider if the paper return route doesn't work out for you!
This is a great suggestion that I haven't seen mentioned anywhere else! I had no idea the Taxpayer Advocate Service could help with these duplicate return issues. How long did it take for them to resolve your case once you contacted them? I'm wondering if this might be faster than waiting weeks for a paper return to process. Also, did you need to provide any specific documentation to the advocate, or did they just need your basic info to look up what was causing the duplicate flag?
Just wanted to follow up on this thread since I was in a very similar situation last month. I had a DDD of 02/18 with Venmo and was wondering about the early deposit timing too. My refund actually hit my Venmo account on 02/16 (2 days early), which seems to be pretty consistent with what others are reporting here. The key thing I learned is that Venmo's early deposit feature does work for tax refunds, but it's typically 1-2 business days early rather than the full 5 days you might see advertised for regular paychecks. One tip - make sure you have push notifications turned on in your Venmo app. My refund actually posted around 3 AM on that Friday morning, so I woke up to the notification which was a nice surprise! Given your DDD of 03/05 and the fact that you only took a partial advance, I'd expect to see your remaining refund amount in your Venmo account either Monday 03/03 or possibly even Friday 02/28 if the IRS releases it early like some others mentioned.
Thanks for sharing your experience! That's really helpful to know about the 3 AM timing. I've been checking my account obsessively during business hours but never thought to check early morning. Quick question - did you also take a partial advance like I did? I'm curious if that affected your timing at all or if you still got the full 2-day early deposit. Based on what everyone's saying here, I'm cautiously optimistic I'll see mine Monday, but now I'm wondering if I should check Friday night/Saturday morning too just in case!
I've been using Venmo for my tax refunds for a few years now and can confirm they're pretty reliable with the early deposits! Based on your DDD of 03/05, you should definitely see your refund by Monday 03/03, and there's a decent chance you might even get it Friday 02/28 or over the weekend. Since you mentioned taking a partial advance, that shouldn't affect the early deposit timing for the remaining amount. The advance gets deducted before the rest is sent to your account, but once Venmo receives that deposit from the IRS, their early deposit feature should still kick in normally. Pro tip: Set up account notifications if you haven't already - refunds often post in the early morning hours (sometimes as early as 2-3 AM) rather than during normal business hours. Good luck!
This is super reassuring to hear! I'm getting excited about potentially seeing it as early as Friday. Just curious - when you say "early morning hours," are we talking like midnight to 6 AM range? I'm trying to figure out if I should set an alarm to check my account or just wait until I naturally wake up. Also, did you notice any pattern with which day of the week tends to get the earliest deposits? Like if Friday releases tend to post faster than other days? I know it's probably random but just wondering if you've noticed any trends over the years!
Fatima Al-Qasimi
Am I the only one whos been refreshing since 11pm? š¤”
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Dylan Cooper
ā¢nope ur not alone bestie š
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Lukas Fitzgerald
Cycle 02 usually updates between 12am-3am EST on Friday mornings, but I've noticed it can sometimes be as late as 6am. I'd recommend checking around 2am and then again at 6am if nothing shows up. Also remember that even after your transcript updates, it might take a few more hours for WMR to reflect the changes. Hang in there! š¤
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Rachel Tao
ā¢Thanks for the detailed breakdown! I'm new to all this cycle stuff and transcript checking - this is super helpful. Guess I'll set an alarm for 2am and then check again at 6am if needed. The waiting is so nerve-wracking! š
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