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Just to add another wrinkle - if your $4000 withdrawal included any dividends from those stocks (not just capital gains from selling), those are taxed differently. Qualified dividends get favorable tax rates similar to long-term capital gains, while non-qualified dividends are taxed at your ordinary income rate. Your 1099-DIV from the brokerage should break this down for you. Just something else to be aware of!
Thanks for bringing this up! I actually did receive about $120 in dividends before I sold everything. I didn't even think about those being taxed differently. Would those show up on the same form as the stock sales or is it a separate document altogether?
You'll typically get two separate forms - a 1099-DIV for the dividends and a 1099-B for the stock sales. Some brokerages combine them into a consolidated 1099 package, but they'll still show as separate sections. The 1099-DIV will break down which dividends are "qualified" (better tax rate) versus ordinary. Most common stock dividends from U.S. companies are qualified if you held the stock for at least 60 days, but there are exceptions. The form will do this categorization for you, so you don't have to figure it out yourself.
This is all really helpful information! I'm in a similar boat as Sophia - first time dealing with investment taxes and feeling pretty overwhelmed. One thing I'm still confused about is the timeline. Since I sold stocks earlier this year, do I need to pay estimated quarterly taxes on those gains, or can I just wait until I file my regular tax return next year? I keep hearing conflicting things about whether you need to make estimated payments if you have capital gains, especially if it's your first time having investment income. Don't want to get hit with penalties if I'm supposed to be paying something now!
Great question about estimated taxes! Generally, you only need to make quarterly estimated payments if you expect to owe $1,000 or more when you file your return AND you haven't paid at least 90% of this year's tax liability through withholding from your job. Since this is your first year with investment income and it sounds like a relatively modest amount, you'll probably be fine waiting until you file your regular return - especially if you have a regular job with tax withholding. The IRS gives you a "safe harbor" if you pay at least 100% of last year's total tax liability (110% if your prior year AGI was over $150k). That said, if your capital gains are substantial relative to your regular income, it might be worth running the numbers or consulting a tax professional. But for most first-time investors with smaller gains, the quarterly payment requirement doesn't usually kick in.
Just a heads up for anyone preparing 2022 returns with NOLs carried forward from 2018-2020 - remember those aren't subject to the 80% limitation due to the CARES Act provisions. Only NOLs from 2021 forward have the 80% limitation. I've seen several colleagues mistakenly apply the 80% limitation to all NOLs.
Thanks for that critical reminder! You're absolutely right. I should have specified in my original post that I'm dealing specifically with 2021-generated NOLs carried forward to 2022. The pre-2021 NOLs from CARES Act years do indeed get more favorable treatment without the 80% limitation. This is partly why this client's situation is so complex - they have some NOLs from different years with different rules. Definitely something everyone needs to keep straight!
This is exactly the kind of complex scenario that highlights why NOL calculations can be so tricky! I've dealt with similar situations and want to add a few practical tips that have helped me: First, when you're doing the iterative calculations that others mentioned, I found it helpful to set up a simple Excel worksheet with columns for: Iteration #, AGI before NOL, Social Security taxable amount, Taxable income before NOL, 80% limitation amount, and Final taxable income after NOL. This makes it easy to see the convergence pattern and provides documentation for your files. Second, I've noticed that the circular calculation usually stabilizes within 3-4 iterations, but occasionally with very specific income ranges near the Social Security benefit thresholds, it can take 5-6 iterations. Don't panic if the first few rounds seem off - just keep going until the numbers stop changing. One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is to double-check your state return if applicable. Some states don't conform to the federal 80% limitation or have their own NOL rules that could create additional complications. California, for example, has suspended NOL deductions entirely for certain tax years. Great discussion everyone - this is exactly the kind of real-world problem-solving that makes this community so valuable!
This Excel worksheet approach is brilliant! I'm relatively new to handling NOL calculations and have been struggling with keeping track of all the moving pieces. Would you be willing to share a template of that worksheet, or could you provide a bit more detail on the formulas you use to automate the iterations? I'm particularly interested in how you handle the Social Security taxable amount calculation within the spreadsheet - do you build in the various income thresholds and percentages, or do you calculate that separately and just input the results? Also, regarding the state conformity issue you mentioned - is there a good resource for tracking which states conform to federal NOL rules and which don't? I have clients in multiple states and this seems like something I need to get more familiar with. Thanks for the practical tips - exactly what I needed as someone still learning the ropes with these complex calculations!
When I bought my company car, HR gave me a fancy official bill of sale that had a separate line for sales tax. Make sure u get something like that!! Some states also have special forms for this situation. In my state they had a specific form (MV-82B I think?) that showed the tax was already paid. Without it I woulda been charged again at DMV for sure lol!
This is actually pretty standard practice when buying from a business entity, including your employer. I went through this same process when I bought a company vehicle a few years ago and was initially confused too. The key difference is that businesses are registered tax collectors with the state, so they're required to collect and remit sales tax on vehicle sales just like a dealership would. When you buy from a private party, neither you nor the seller is a registered tax collector, so you handle it at the DMV. Make sure you get a detailed bill of sale that clearly itemizes the sales tax amount, includes the vehicle VIN, and shows your company's tax ID number. This documentation will be crucial when you register the vehicle - it proves the tax was already collected and prevents double taxation. Most states have systems where this gets reported electronically, so the DMV should already know the tax was paid when you show up to register. Your $1,320 in sales tax on a $16,500 purchase sounds about right for most states (around 8% rate). Just make sure all the paperwork is properly documented and you should be good to go!
Thanks for the detailed explanation! This makes so much more sense now. I was definitely overthinking this whole situation. The 8% rate you mentioned matches exactly what my company quoted me, so that's reassuring. I'll make sure to ask HR for a proper bill of sale with all those details you mentioned - the VIN, tax ID number, and itemized tax amount. Better to have too much documentation than not enough when I go to register! One quick follow-up question - do you remember how long the registration process took once you had all the proper paperwork? I'm hoping it's straightforward since the tax should already be in their system.
Have you considered just taking a distribution from your other business to pay for this, rather than reducing your estimated tax payments? Underpaying your estimated taxes could result in penalties and interest if you end up owing more than you paid in quarterly payments.
This is a good point. Estimated tax penalties can add up. If your income is similar to last year, you might be able to use the safe harbor rule (paying 100% or 110% of last year's tax depending on your income level), but reducing your payments increases your risk.
Before you reduce your estimated tax payments, make sure you understand the penalty implications. The IRS generally requires you to pay either 90% of the current year's tax liability or 100% of last year's tax (110% if your prior year AGI exceeded $150,000) through withholding and estimated payments to avoid underpayment penalties. If you're planning to pay $26.5k instead of $33k this quarter, you need to verify that your total payments for the year will still meet the safe harbor requirements. The underpayment penalty is calculated quarterly and can be substantial - currently around 8% annually. A safer approach might be to take a proper distribution from your other business to fund the website expense, then handle it as a capital contribution to the partnership as others have suggested. This keeps your estimated tax payments on track while still allowing you to personally fund the website expense.
Connor Murphy
I completely understand your anxiety about this! As someone who's been through the S-Corp extension process multiple times, I can tell you that the lack of confirmation in your client portal is actually pretty normal - many firms don't automatically upload extension confirmations. Here's what I'd recommend for immediate peace of mind: Email your accounting firm and specifically ask for the "electronic filing acknowledgment receipt" or "e-file confirmation" from their tax software. This should include a timestamp and confirmation number proving the extension was transmitted. Any reputable firm that filed electronically should be able to provide this within minutes. If you want to verify independently, the IRS Business Tax line (800-829-4933) can confirm if an extension is on file, but I'd suggest calling right when they open at 7 AM for the shortest wait times. Have your EIN ready. One thing that might ease your worry: if there had been an issue with the electronic filing, you typically would have received a rejection notice by now. The IRS processes electronic extensions pretty quickly and sends rejection notifications within a few days if there are problems. Don't feel bad about following up with your accountant - this is a completely reasonable request and getting that documentation will give you the peace of mind you need to focus on your business instead of worrying about compliance issues!
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Zainab Ibrahim
β’This is really solid advice, Connor! I appreciate you mentioning that the lack of confirmation in the client portal is actually normal - I was starting to think that was a red flag when it's apparently just how many firms operate. Your point about rejection notices coming quickly for electronic filings is particularly reassuring. I've been interpreting the silence as potentially bad news, but you're right that if there was an actual problem with the filing, I probably would have heard about it by now. I'm definitely going to follow your suggestion and email them today asking specifically for the "electronic filing acknowledgment receipt" - having that exact terminology will help me get what I need without any confusion. And if I still feel anxious after that, I'll try calling the IRS at 7 AM as you suggested. Thanks for normalizing the follow-up request too. It's my first time dealing with S-Corp requirements and I've been second-guessing whether I'm being too demanding, but you're absolutely right that this is a reasonable business concern that deserves documentation!
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Miguel HernΓ‘ndez
I went through this exact anxiety last year with my first S-Corp filing! Here's what finally gave me peace of mind: The fastest way to verify is actually through the IRS Business Online Account if you can get it working (try different browsers - Edge worked better for me than Chrome). If that's not working, calling the Business Tax line at 800-829-4933 first thing in the morning (7 AM sharp) usually gets you through faster. But honestly, the quickest solution is to just email your accounting firm and ask for the "electronic filing acknowledgment" from when they submitted Form 7004. This isn't an official IRS document, but it's the receipt from their tax software showing the extension was successfully transmitted with a confirmation number and timestamp. They should be able to send this to you within minutes if they filed electronically. If they can't produce that acknowledgment immediately, that would be concerning. But if they can show you the e-file receipt, you'll have instant proof it went through. One thing that helped calm my nerves: the IRS sends rejection notices pretty quickly for electronic filings (usually within 2-3 days), so if you haven't received any rejection notices, that's actually a good sign. Don't feel awkward about asking - this is your business and you absolutely have the right to documentation that critical tax deadlines are being met!
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Dmitry Volkov
β’This is incredibly helpful, Miguel! I really appreciate you sharing your first-year S-Corp experience - it's so reassuring to hear from someone who's been through this exact same anxiety. Your tip about trying Edge browser for the IRS Business Online Account is something I hadn't thought of. I've been struggling with Chrome, so I'll definitely give that a shot before resorting to calling. I love how you've laid out the logical sequence: try the online account first, then call early morning, but most importantly just ask for that electronic filing acknowledgment from the accounting firm. Having that specific terminology ("electronic filing acknowledgment") seems to be the key based on what everyone's saying. Your point about rejection notices coming quickly is really putting my mind at ease. I think I've been catastrophizing the silence when it's actually more likely to indicate everything went smoothly. I'm going to send that email to my accountant today asking for the e-file acknowledgment. Thanks for reinforcing that this is a totally reasonable request - sometimes you need to hear it from multiple people to really believe it! This whole thread has been a lifesaver for my peace of mind.
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