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This is a really solid tax strategy that I've seen work well for many families. One additional consideration I'd suggest is timing the stock transfer and sale carefully. If your mom has other income sources (like Social Security or pension), you'll want to calculate her total projected income for the year to make sure the capital gain doesn't push her above the 0% bracket threshold. Also, consider whether she needs all $100k at once or if the renovations could be spread over multiple years. If you could gift and have her sell portions of the stock across 2-3 years, it might help keep her in that 0% bracket each year while also allowing you to use more of your annual gift exclusion ($18,000 per year) rather than dipping into your lifetime exclusion. Don't forget that she'll also need to meet the long-term capital gains holding period requirement (over 1 year), but since she inherits your holding period with the gifted stock, this shouldn't be an issue if you've held it long-term.
This is really helpful advice about spreading it across multiple years! I hadn't considered that approach. My mom's total income from her pension and Social Security is around $35k annually, so there's definitely room to stay within the 0% bracket even with some capital gains added in. The renovations could potentially be phased - we could do the most critical safety updates first (bathroom grab bars, ramp installation) and then tackle the kitchen and flooring next year. This way I could gift maybe $50k worth of stock this year and another $50k next year, keeping her well within the 0% capital gains threshold both years. Thanks for pointing out the holding period inheritance - I've held most of these stocks for 3+ years so that shouldn't be an issue. Really appreciate the strategic thinking here!
This is exactly the kind of thoughtful tax planning that can really benefit families in your situation. One thing I'd add to the excellent advice already given - make sure to keep detailed records of the original purchase dates and costs for all the stock you're gifting. The IRS can be particular about cost basis documentation, especially for older holdings. Also, since you mentioned your mom has mobility issues, you might want to consider setting up the brokerage account transfer and sale process to be as simple as possible for her. Many brokerages offer phone-based trading services for older clients, or you could potentially set up a limited power of attorney to help her execute the sales when she's ready. One last thought - if any of the renovation work qualifies for accessibility improvements, there might be additional tax credits available at the federal or state level that could further reduce her overall tax burden. Worth checking into!
Great point about the accessibility tax credits! I didn't even think about that. Do you know if things like wheelchair ramps and bathroom modifications typically qualify? And would those credits apply to my mom's tax return or could I potentially claim them if I'm paying for the work? Also really appreciate the suggestion about setting up the brokerage account to be user-friendly for her. She's not super comfortable with technology, so having a phone-based option would probably be much easier than trying to navigate online trading platforms.
Has anyone used TurboTax Self-Employed for this situation? We're trying to figure out if we need to upgrade from the regular version we've used in past years. My husband just started doing photography on the side.
We used TurboTax Self-Employed last year when my wife started her etsy shop and I still had my regular job. It worked pretty well - walks you through all the Schedule C stuff and helps identify deductions. Definitely worth the upgrade from the regular version if you have any business income to report. It also helps with those quarterly estimated payments.
Great question! Your wife can definitely start a sole proprietorship while you continue your full-time job. Since you file jointly, you'll include her business income and expenses on Schedule C of your joint return - no need for separate filings. A few key things to keep in mind: 1. **Self-employment tax**: Your wife will need to pay self-employment tax (15.3%) on any profit from the business, which covers Social Security and Medicare taxes. 2. **Quarterly estimated taxes**: If she expects to owe $1,000 or more in taxes from the business, she should make quarterly payments to avoid penalties. You can use Form 1040-ES to calculate these. 3. **Business losses**: Yes, any business losses can offset your joint income, potentially lowering your overall tax bill. Just make sure to keep detailed records to show it's a legitimate business and not a hobby. 4. **Record keeping**: Get a separate business bank account and credit card, save all receipts, and track mileage for business use. Good documentation is crucial, especially for deductions like home office expenses. Since your combined income will likely be higher with the business, consider setting aside 25-30% of her business income for taxes to be safe. You might also want to adjust your W-4 withholding to cover the additional tax liability instead of making quarterly payments.
This is really helpful! One thing I'm still confused about - if my spouse's business loses money in the first year (which seems likely with startup costs), does that actually reduce our overall tax bill? Like if I make $78k and her business loses $5k, do we only pay taxes on $73k? That seems almost too good to be true. Also, what counts as legitimate startup costs that we can deduct right away?
Yes, you're absolutely right! If your spouse's business has a legitimate loss of $5k in the first year, it does reduce your taxable income from $78k to $73k on your joint return. This can result in real tax savings - potentially $1,100-1,200 less in taxes depending on your tax bracket. For startup costs, you can typically deduct up to $5,000 in business startup expenses in the first year (with the remainder amortized over 15 years). This includes things like: - Business registration fees and permits - Market research and advertising to launch the business - Professional services (attorney, accountant consultations) - Equipment and supplies needed to start operations - Initial inventory purchases - Website development and branding costs Just remember the IRS has "hobby loss" rules - they want to see that you're genuinely trying to make a profit. Keep detailed records showing business intent, like a business plan, marketing efforts, and professional development. As long as you can demonstrate it's a real business venture and not just a tax writeoff, those losses are completely legitimate! The key is treating it like a real business from day one with proper record-keeping and business practices.
Unrelated to the original question but im curious - has anyone who itemized federally but took standard deduction at state level ever been audited? I've been doing this for three years and always worry it might trigger something
This is a great question and you're absolutely right to consider this approach! I went through the exact same analysis last year and ended up doing exactly what you're considering - itemizing federally while taking the standard deduction on my state return. Your math looks solid. With $19,500 in federal itemized deductions versus the standard deduction, itemizing federally makes clear sense. And you're correct that at the state level, you can't deduct state income taxes from state taxes, which often makes the remaining itemized deductions insufficient to beat the state standard deduction. One thing I'd suggest is double-checking your state's specific rules about which itemized deductions they allow, as some states have different thresholds or exclude certain federal deductions entirely. But in general, this mixed approach is not only legitimate but often optimal for taxpayers in situations like yours. You're definitely not missing anything obvious - you've identified a smart tax strategy!
Thanks for confirming this approach! I'm actually new to dealing with itemized deductions and was worried I was overthinking it. Can you clarify what you mean by checking state-specific rules about which deductions they allow? Are there common deductions that federal allows but states typically don't, besides the obvious SALT limitation? I want to make sure I'm not accidentally claiming something on my state return that I shouldn't be. My main itemized deductions are mortgage interest, property taxes, charitable contributions, and a small amount of medical expenses. Should I be concerned about any of these at the state level?
I'm currently dealing with this exact same situation and this thread has been a lifesaver! Filed our joint return in February, received a partial refund in March due to my spouse's expired ITIN, and submitted the renewal paperwork at our local IRS office about 3 weeks ago. One thing I want to add that might help others - when we went to submit the ITIN renewal, the IRS agent told us to make sure we have a copy of the original letter they sent explaining the partial refund. She said if there are any issues linking the renewed ITIN back to our original return, having that letter helps them locate our file more quickly. Also, I've been tracking everything in a spreadsheet with dates because this process involves so many moving parts. It's helped me stay organized and will be useful if I need to call them later. The uncertainty is definitely stressful, but reading everyone's experiences here gives me confidence that the remaining refund will eventually be processed automatically once the ITIN renewal goes through. Thanks to everyone who shared their timelines and tips - especially the ITIN hotline number! I'll be calling that next week to check on our status.
That's really smart to keep everything organized in a spreadsheet! I'm new to dealing with tax issues like this and hadn't thought about tracking all the dates and correspondence. Would you mind sharing what columns/information you're tracking? I'm about to submit my ITIN renewal paperwork next week and want to make sure I'm documenting everything properly from the start. Also, thanks for mentioning keeping a copy of that original partial refund letter - I almost filed it away thinking I wouldn't need it again. It's reassuring to hear from someone going through the exact same timeline. The waiting and uncertainty really is the hardest part, especially when you're dealing with a significant amount of money like the $1,850 the original poster mentioned.
I'm dealing with this exact situation right now and this thread has been incredibly helpful! My husband's ITIN expired and we got the partial refund in March after filing in February. We submitted the renewal paperwork about 5 weeks ago. One thing I wanted to mention that I learned from calling the IRS - they told me that the delayed portion of your refund is actually still earning interest from the original filing date. So even though it's frustrating to wait, at least you're not losing money on the time value. The interest rate isn't huge, but it's something. Also, I found out that if you filed electronically originally, the remaining refund will also be direct deposited once processed. You don't need to worry about them switching to a paper check or anything like that. They'll use the same banking information from your original return. The waiting is definitely nerve-wracking, especially when you're counting on that money for other expenses. But reading everyone's experiences here gives me hope that it really will get processed automatically once the ITIN renewal comes through. Fingers crossed we all get our remaining refunds soon!
That's great to know about the interest and the direct deposit staying the same! I'm new to this whole process and was worried they might complicate things by switching to a paper check. It's reassuring to hear they keep using the same banking info from the original return. I'm in almost the exact same timeline as everyone else here - filed in February, got partial refund in March, submitted ITIN renewal about 4 weeks ago. The uncertainty has been really stressful, but this thread is giving me so much peace of mind knowing that others have gone through this successfully and the remaining refund does get processed automatically. Quick question - when you called the IRS, were you able to get through easily or did it take multiple attempts? I've been hesitant to call because I've heard horror stories about the wait times, but it sounds like the ITIN hotline might be more manageable than the general tax help line.
Alice Pierce
Been waiting since April 2024 here and this is super helpful info! Had no idea they'd include the interest in the same check. At 7% that's actually not terrible considering how long we've all been waiting. Thanks for the heads up about the 1099-INT too - would've definitely forgotten to report that interest as income next year.
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Caleb Stark
ā¢Same here! Been waiting since May and had no clue about the 1099-INT thing. Good to know they bundle it all together now - makes things way simpler than tracking multiple checks. At least the 7% makes the wait slightly less painful š
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Melina Haruko
Just wanted to chime in as someone who finally got their refund check last month after waiting since February! Can confirm everything comes in one check - the original refund amount plus all the accumulated interest. The breakdown was actually printed right on the stub that came with the check, so you can see exactly how much was interest vs the original refund. Really helpful for record keeping before that 1099-INT shows up next January. Hang in there everyone, the wait sucks but at least we're earning something on it!
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Brianna Schmidt
ā¢That's awesome info about the breakdown being on the stub! I've been wondering how to track everything for tax purposes. Quick question - did your check come pretty quickly once your transcript finally updated to show it was being issued, or was there still a long wait after that status change?
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Nora Bennett
ā¢@Melina Haruko This is exactly what I needed to hear! I ve'been stressing about how to keep track of everything for taxes. Did the interest amount seem pretty accurate based on how long you waited? I m'trying to estimate what mine might be since I ve'been waiting about the same amount of time as you were.
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