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Anyone know how the new 3.8% Net Investment Income Tax applies to S-Corps? I heard there were some changes coming in 2025 that might affect distributions...
The proposed changes to NIIT for S-Corp distributions didn't actually pass in the final legislation. As of 2025 filing season, S-Corp distributions still avoid the 3.8% NIIT for active shareholders. But always good to check with your accountant since tax laws change frequently!
Great question! The S-Corp strategy is definitely still viable in 2025, and with $145K in business income, you're right in the sweet spot where it typically makes financial sense. Here's my take: you'll likely want to set your salary somewhere in the $70K-$90K range (depending on your specific role and local market rates), which would still leave you with $55K-$75K in distributions that avoid self-employment taxes. That could save you roughly $8K-$11K annually in SE taxes alone. A few practical tips from someone who made this switch: - Start researching payroll services now (Gusto, ADP, etc.) - you'll need one - Document your salary decision thoroughly - save industry salary surveys, job postings, etc. - Factor in the extra costs: payroll service (~$500-600/year), additional tax prep fees (~$500-1000), and any state fees - Consider timing - you generally need to elect S-Corp status by March 15th for it to be effective for the current tax year Even with all the extra costs and complexity, most businesses in your income range see net savings of $5K-$10K annually. The break-even point is usually around $60K-$80K in business income, so you're well above that threshold. Just make sure to run the actual numbers for your situation before making the switch!
This is really helpful breakdown! I'm curious about the timing aspect you mentioned - if someone misses the March 15th deadline for S-Corp election, are there any other options? Like can you elect it for the following tax year, or is there a way to get an extension if you have a valid reason for missing the deadline? Also, when you mention documenting salary decisions with industry surveys and job postings - do you have any recommendations for reliable sources to pull this data from? I want to make sure I'm using credible information that would hold up if questioned.
Has anyone heard if leasing might be a better option right now while we wait for the point-of-sale option? I heard that when you lease, the leasing company gets the tax credit and they often pass the savings to you through reduced lease payments. Might be a workaround for those of us with lower tax liability who don't want to wait?
Yes! This is actually what I did with my Hyundai IONIQ 5. Because I was leasing, the leasing company (the actual purchaser) claimed the credit and reduced my monthly payments by about $210. This effectively gave me the benefit of the full $7500 spread across my 36-month lease. The nice thing about leasing is that your tax liability doesn't matter at all since you're not the one claiming the credit. The leasing company has plenty of tax liability to use the full credit. Just make sure to ask specifically how much of the tax credit is being passed on to you in the lease - some companies are more generous than others.
This is such a timely discussion! I'm actually in the exact same boat as the original poster - looking to buy a Tesla Model Y in the next few weeks and trying to figure out the best approach. From everything I've read and the great advice shared here, it seems like the key decision really comes down to your tax liability situation. If you're confident you'll have at least $7500 in tax liability for 2024, then buying now and claiming it on your tax return might work fine. But if you're like me with a lower income or variable tax situation, waiting for the point-of-sale option could save thousands. One thing I'm curious about - has anyone seen any recent updates from Tesla specifically about when they expect to implement the point-of-sale option? I know they've been pretty vocal about wanting to offer it, but I haven't seen any timeline from them directly. Also, the leasing option that @Bruno Simmons and @Aileen Rodriguez mentioned is really intriguing. I hadn't considered that as a way to get the full benefit regardless of tax liability. Does anyone know if Tesla's lease deals are competitive when factoring in the tax credit pass-through? Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences - this thread has been incredibly helpful for understanding a really confusing situation!
Great summary of the situation! I'm actually a tax preparer who's been dealing with a lot of these EV credit questions lately. From what I've seen with my clients, the tax liability issue is really the biggest factor in this decision. Regarding Tesla's timeline - they haven't given any specific dates publicly, but based on conversations with other dealers I work with, most expect the IRS guidance to be finalized sometime in the next 2-3 months. Tesla has been pretty aggressive about wanting to implement it quickly once they get the green light. For the leasing route, Tesla's lease deals have actually become more competitive recently, especially when you factor in the tax credit pass-through. I had a client who compared buying vs leasing a Model Y and found the lease was only about $50/month more expensive over 3 years when accounting for the full tax credit benefit through leasing vs. his limited tax liability if purchasing. One thing to keep in mind - if you do decide to wait for point-of-sale, make sure you're monitoring any changes to the battery component requirements. The rules around which vehicles qualify can shift, so a car that qualifies today might not qualify later.
One thing nobody mentioned - if you rent through these Uber programs, track your charging costs separately too! Sometimes they give you free Supercharger access, but sometimes not. If you pay for charging, those costs are deductible too, just like gas would be. I rented a Model 3 last summer and saved all my charging receipts - added up to about $90/week in deductions my tax guy said I wouldn't have been able to claim otherwise.
Do you have to itemize all the charging sessions or can you just deduct a flat percentage? I'm thinking of doing this program but there's a charging station near my house that I'd probably use daily and don't want to keep 365 receipts lol.
Great question about mixing deduction methods! I went through this exact scenario two years ago when my personal car broke down mid-year and I switched to Uber's Tesla rental program. You're absolutely right that you can't use standard mileage for a rental vehicle - the IRS is very clear about that. But the good news is that the entire $340 weekly rental fee is indeed deductible as a business expense, assuming you're using the vehicle primarily for rideshare/delivery work. The key thing to remember is documentation. When you make the switch, create a clear cutoff date in your records. For the period with your personal vehicle, track your business miles and use the standard mileage rate (currently 65.5 cents per mile for 2023). Then from your rental start date forward, keep all rental receipts and track your business vs. personal use percentage. Also don't forget about the charging costs if your rental doesn't include free Supercharger access - those are deductible too! I kept a simple spreadsheet with charging receipts and it added up to decent additional deductions. One tip: if you're on the fence about timing, consider waiting until the start of a new quarter to make the switch. It makes the record-keeping cleaner and reduces any confusion if you get audited.
I switched from TurboTax to FreeTaxUSA last year because I was tired of their price increases and it was fine. The interface isnt as fancy but it gets the job done and saved me like $70. just be aware that the state return does cost money but its way less than the competition. And the federal is truely free unless u need audit protection or something.
How different is the interface? Is it harder to use than TurboTax? I'm not great with computers and TurboTax has always been pretty easy for me.
The interface is definitely more basic than TurboTax - it's not as polished or colorful, but it's still pretty straightforward. It walks you through everything step by step just like TurboTax does, with interview-style questions. The main difference is it looks more like a basic web form rather than TurboTax's fancy graphics. If you can handle TurboTax, you'll be fine with FreeTaxUSA - it might actually be less overwhelming since there are fewer bells and whistles to distract you from the actual tax questions.
I've been using FreeTaxUSA for about 5 years now and can definitely vouch for its legitimacy. They're IRS-authorized and I've never had any issues with my returns being accepted or processed. Regarding the state return confusion - yes, FreeTaxUSA handles both federal and state, but the state portion typically costs around $14.99. When you're going through the filing process, you'll complete your federal return first, then it will automatically populate most of your state information and ask any state-specific questions. At the final step, you'll see options to e-file both returns together. One thing I really appreciate about FreeTaxUSA is their transparency - all fees are clearly shown before you pay, unlike some other services that hit you with surprise charges. The $15 state fee is still way cheaper than what I was paying with other major tax software, and the federal filing really is completely free for most tax situations. Don't worry about missing your state taxes - the software won't let you submit an incomplete return and will clearly show you what's being filed where before you finalize everything.
Lucas Bey
Quick question about the food part of business travel - if I'm attending a conference in Vegas, are all my meals 50% deductible or just dinners out? What about if the conference includes some meals as part of registration?
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Harper Thompson
ā¢The rules for meals during business travel are actually pretty straightforward. Any meals not included in your conference registration are 50% deductible (breakfast, lunch, dinner - doesn't matter which meal). If the conference includes certain meals as part of your registration fee, those specific meals are 100% deductible since they're part of the business event cost. Just make sure you keep separate receipts for everything and note which meals were included with the conference. Also worth noting that the IRS doesn't expect you to go super cheap on meals - reasonable business meals at regular restaurants are fine.
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Yuki Tanaka
Great question! I've dealt with this exact situation multiple times as a consultant who travels frequently for client meetings and industry events. The "lavish and extravagant" standard is really about reasonableness within the context of your location and business needs. Your budget of $1300-1900 for a Vegas conference sounds very reasonable. The IRS isn't expecting you to stay at budget motels - they understand that business travelers need appropriate accommodations that allow them to be productive and represent their business professionally. A few practical tips from my experience: - Standard business hotels (Hilton, Marriott, etc.) are totally fine, even in Vegas - Keep all receipts and the conference materials/agenda - Take photos of your receipts as backup - Make brief notes about business sessions attended and key contacts made - If you do any personal activities (shows, gambling), keep those expenses completely separate The key is demonstrating legitimate business purpose. As long as your primary reason for the trip is the conference and your expenses are reasonable for a business traveler in that location, you should be fine. The IRS is more concerned with people trying to write off luxury vacations than legitimate business travel to conferences. Also remember that your conference registration fee is 100% deductible, while meals not included in the registration are 50% deductible.
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