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One thing nobody mentioned yet - if your property has decreased in value when you convert it back to rental use, and you use the lower FMV as your new depreciation basis, you're essentially "losing" some deductions you could have taken if the value hadn't dropped. It feels unfair but that's how the tax code works. Happened to me during the housing crash years ago.
Does that mean I should get an official appraisal when converting back to rental? My area has appreciated a lot since I bought, so I'm thinking the FMV is higher than my adjusted basis anyway and won't be the limiting factor. But should I document the FMV somehow?
Yes, getting an appraisal is highly recommended when converting property back to rental use. Even though in your case the FMV is likely higher than the adjusted basis (meaning you'll use the adjusted basis for depreciation), having that appraisal provides valuable documentation if you're ever audited. You don't necessarily need a formal appraisal in all cases. You could use comparable sales data, a real estate agent's comparative market analysis, or even property tax assessments - but the more official the documentation, the better protection you have. Since your area has appreciated significantly, your adjusted basis will likely be the value you use, but having the FMV documented creates a clear paper trail of compliance with tax regulations.
Dont forget to look at suspended losses too! If u had passive losses u couldnt use when it was a rental before, those carry forward and u can use them when its a rental again if u have enough passive income or qualify for the real estate professional exception. my accountant found like $7k in suspended losses we could finally use!
Good point! I always forget about suspended losses. How do you track those effectively between years? Is there a specific form or worksheet?
Suspended losses are tracked on Form 8582 (Passive Activity Loss Limitations) and you should keep records of them year over year. The IRS requires you to maintain documentation showing the cumulative suspended losses for each property. Most tax software will carry these forward automatically, but it's smart to keep your own spreadsheet tracking them by property since they're tied to the specific rental activity. When you dispose of the property entirely (sell it), any remaining suspended losses become fully deductible against ordinary income, which can be a nice tax benefit!
Wait, I'm confused about land vs building depreciation. My understanding is you can only depreciate the building portion of your property, not the land. How do you calculate this split if you've made improvements?
You're absolutely right! Land is not depreciable. When you purchase a property, you need to allocate the purchase price between land (non-depreciable) and building (depreciable). This is typically done based on the assessed values from your property tax statement or an appraisal. For improvements, you typically don't need to worry about the land/building split because improvements are generally made to the building portion of the property. Improvements like bathroom renovations, roof replacements, HVAC systems, etc., are all considered part of the building and are fully depreciable over 27.5 years.
One additional consideration that hasn't been mentioned yet - don't forget about Section 179 deduction and bonus depreciation for some of your rental property improvements! While most structural improvements to rental property need to be depreciated over 27.5 years as discussed, certain types of property improvements might qualify for accelerated depreciation. Things like security systems, some appliances, and certain non-structural improvements might qualify for immediate expensing under Section 179 or bonus depreciation. For example, if you're installing new appliances as part of your bathroom renovation, those might be eligible for immediate deduction rather than the 27.5-year schedule. The rules can be complex, but it's worth exploring since it could provide significant tax benefits in the year you make the improvements. Also, if you're doing substantial renovations that involve any accessibility improvements, there may be additional tax credits available beyond just the depreciation benefits. Always worth checking with a tax professional to make sure you're maximizing all available deductions and credits for your rental property investments!
This is really helpful information about Section 179 and bonus depreciation! I had no idea some rental property improvements might qualify for immediate expensing. For the bathroom renovation I'm planning, would things like new vanities, mirrors, or lighting fixtures potentially qualify for Section 179? Or are those considered too integrated with the building structure? I'm trying to figure out if I should separate out certain components of the renovation for different tax treatment. Also, you mentioned accessibility improvements having additional tax credits - do you know if things like grab bars or walk-in showers would qualify? That could really change the math on which improvements to prioritize first.
Another option - file a complaint with your state's consumer protection agency. I did this when my preparer messed up my home office deduction and it was pretty effective. They contacted the preparer and suddenly they were willing to cover the penalties I had to pay. Also keep all your documentation showing you provided them with the missing 1099! That's your proof they had access to everything they needed to file correctly.
This is good advice, but how do you even prove you gave them all your documents? My preparer last year claimed I never gave them my 1099-INT forms even though I'm 100% sure I did. Should I be getting some kind of receipt for my documents??
Absolutely get receipts! I learned this the hard way after a similar situation. Now I always either email my documents (creates a paper trail with timestamps) or if dropping off in person, I bring a checklist of all documents and have them initial each item they received. Some preparers will give you a formal intake form listing all documents received, but if they don't offer one, create your own simple list. Take photos of your documents before handing them over too - that way you have proof of exactly what you provided. It's saved me from preparers trying to claim missing documents when the mistake was clearly theirs.
I went through something very similar last year and it was incredibly frustrating. One thing that helped me was documenting everything - save all your original documents, correspondence with the preparer, and the IRS notice. This creates a clear timeline showing their error. You mentioned they want to charge you another fee to fix their mistake - that's a huge red flag. A reputable preparer should fix their own errors for free. I'd definitely recommend filing complaints with both the IRS (Form 14157) and your state's consumer protection agency. Also, for future reference, always ask preparers about their errors and omissions insurance before hiring them. Good preparers carry this specifically to cover situations like yours. And consider getting a second opinion on complex returns - even a basic review by another professional can catch mistakes before filing. The "client is ultimately responsible" line is technically true, but it doesn't absolve them of professional negligence when they fail to include documents you provided. Keep pushing back and don't let them off the hook for their oversight.
This is really helpful advice, especially about the errors and omissions insurance - I had no idea that was even a thing to ask about! I'm definitely going to file those complaints you mentioned. One question though - when you say "keep pushing back," do you mean I should keep calling the preparer's office or focus more on the official complaint process? I'm worried about wasting more time with them if they've already made it clear they don't think it's their responsibility. Should I give them one final chance to make it right before filing the complaints, or just go straight to the authorities? Also, has anyone had success getting the IRS to waive penalties when you can prove it was preparer error? I keep hearing mixed things about whether they actually care whose fault it was.
Has anyone used TurboTax or H&R Block for filing estate tax returns? I'm wondering if the software can handle Form 1041 or if I should just hire a professional.
I tried using TurboTax for my mom's estate last year and wouldn't recommend it. The software technically supports 1041, but it asks a lot of confusing questions and doesn't provide enough guidance for complex situations. I ended up hiring a CPA who specializes in estate work and it was worth every penny - she found several deductions I would have missed.
I went through this exact situation when my mother passed away last year. Based on what you've described, you'll definitely need to file Form 1041 since the estate had income from the house sale and the CD interest that exceeded $600. A few important points to remember: 1. The house sale will likely qualify for stepped-up basis, meaning the estate's "cost" for tax purposes is the fair market value on the date of your dad's death, not what he originally paid. This could significantly reduce or eliminate the taxable gain. 2. Make sure to get a professional appraisal of the house as of the date of death if you don't already have one - you'll need this to establish the stepped-up basis. 3. The estate's first tax year can end on December 31st of the year of death, or you can choose a fiscal year ending up to 12 months after the date of death. This gives you flexibility on when the first return is due. 4. Don't forget that if you distribute any income to beneficiaries during the tax year, you'll need to prepare Schedule K-1s for them. The good news is that with the stepped-up basis, you may owe very little or no tax on the house sale. I'd recommend consulting with a CPA who has estate experience, especially for the first year - the peace of mind is worth it.
This is incredibly helpful, thank you! I'm definitely feeling more confident about the process now. One quick question - when you mention getting a professional appraisal for the stepped-up basis, is that something I need to do even if we already sold the house? We used a realtor's market analysis when we listed it, but I'm wondering if that's sufficient documentation for the IRS or if we need a formal appraisal dated to October 2023 when my dad passed away. Also, regarding the fiscal year choice - since we're already in 2024 and the house sold in March, would it make more sense to choose a fiscal year ending in October 2024 (12 months from death) to include the house sale in the first return? I want to get this right the first time!
StarSailor
Has anyone considered the aggregation election for rental properties? If your client has multiple rentals and some are profitable while others show losses, electing to aggregate them as a single business for QBI purposes might be beneficial. This way, you're properly reporting everything on Form 8995, but the losses and profits offset each other. The requirements for aggregation are in Reg. 1.199A-4, and you need to meet the 50% common ownership test, plus at least 2 of the 3 factors (similar businesses, shared resources, or interdependence). For many clients with multiple rentals in the same area, this might be a viable approach.
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Connor O'Brien
β’That's an excellent point about aggregation! I've found this especially useful for clients who own commercial buildings rented to their own operating businesses. Do you typically make the aggregation election on the initial return, or have you had success adding it in later years?
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Ryder Ross
I've been following this discussion with great interest as I've encountered similar dilemmas with my rental property clients. One approach I've found helpful is creating a clear decision matrix for each client that documents the factors supporting Section 162 trade or business status. For each rental property, I evaluate: (1) hours per week spent on management activities, (2) whether they use a management company or handle operations directly, (3) frequency of tenant interactions, (4) involvement in maintenance and repairs, and (5) marketing efforts for vacant units. I document this analysis in the client file regardless of whether I ultimately include the activity on Form 8995. What's helped me sleep better at night is being consistent in my application of these criteria across all clients. If the facts support Section 162 treatment, I include the activity on Form 8995 whether it shows a profit or loss. The tax code doesn't give us the luxury of cherry-picking only profitable QBI activities. That said, I do make sure clients understand the impact on their current-year QBI deduction when rental losses are involved. Sometimes we discuss strategies like timing of repairs or equipment purchases to help manage the overall QBI picture across multiple business activities.
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Ethan Anderson
β’This is exactly the kind of systematic approach I've been looking for! Your decision matrix idea is brilliant - I've been making these determinations somewhat intuitively, but having documented criteria would provide much better support for my positions. I'm curious about how you handle the "hours per week" factor. Do you have clients track their time, or do you estimate based on their description of activities? Also, have you found that the IRS or courts give more weight to certain factors over others when determining Section 162 status for rentals? The consistency point really resonates with me. I think part of my original dilemma came from not having a clear framework to apply across all situations. Thanks for sharing this approach!
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