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Has anyone successfully dealt with excess contributions through TurboTax? I'm confused about how to report this correctly in the software.
TurboTax actually handles this pretty well! When entering your IRA contributions, there's a section where it asks if you made excess contributions and if you've withdrawn them. Make sure to check "yes" for both. It'll then ask for the date of the excess contribution removal and any earnings associated with it. The key is making sure you have the correct documents from your brokerage showing it was an excess contribution removal specifically, not just a withdrawal. The software should generate Form 5329 properly if you input everything correctly.
I went through something very similar last year and can relate to the stress you're feeling! The good news is this is definitely fixable, but you'll need to be persistent with Fidelity to get it handled correctly. First, call Fidelity back and ask to speak with someone in their IRA department specifically - don't just talk to general customer service. Tell them you need to "recharacterize" your withdrawal as a "return of excess contribution" for 2024. They should be able to do this since you're still in the same tax year. Make sure they understand you're correcting an excess contribution, not just making a regular withdrawal. Once they process this correctly, you'll get a 1099-R form that properly shows the distribution as a return of excess contribution. Any earnings that were generated on that excess contribution will be taxable income for 2024 and potentially subject to the 10% early withdrawal penalty if you're under 59Β½. Since you've already filed, you'll likely need to file an amended return (Form 1040-X) once you get the corrected documentation from Fidelity. The timing actually works in your favor since you caught this so quickly - there probably weren't significant earnings on the excess contribution during that short time period. Don't panic about the penalties - if Fidelity processes this as a proper excess contribution removal, you should be able to avoid the 6% excise tax. Just make sure you get the right paperwork from them showing it was handled correctly.
This is really helpful advice! I'm curious though - when you say "recharacterize" the withdrawal, is that the same thing as what others have mentioned about requesting a "return of excess contribution"? Also, how long did it take for Fidelity to issue you the corrected 1099-R after you got them to process it properly? I'm worried about timing since I've already filed and accepted returns.
I went through this exact scenario two weeks ago! My transcript showed 846 with DD date of 2/28, but WMR kept saying paper check was coming. I was so confused I even drove to my local IRS office to ask in person. The agent there confirmed what everyone's saying - the transcript is the authoritative source. She explained that during busy periods, WMR can show outdated information because it's essentially a "customer service" tool that doesn't always reflect real-time processing status. Sure enough, my refund hit my bank account exactly on 2/28 as the transcript indicated. The WMR tool didn't update to show "refund sent" until 3 days AFTER I already had the money! Trust your 846 code and save yourself the worry.
That's so helpful to hear from someone who actually went to the IRS office in person! I've been debating whether it's worth the drive to my local office, but it sounds like they confirmed what everyone here is saying about trusting the transcript. It's wild that WMR didn't update until 3 days AFTER you already had your money - that really shows how disconnected these systems can be. I'm definitely feeling more confident about just waiting for my 3/15 deposit date instead of stressing about calling. Thanks for sharing your experience!
I'm dealing with this exact same situation right now! My transcript shows 846 with a DD date of 3/12, but WMR has been stuck on "paper check will be mailed" for the past week. Reading through all these responses is really reassuring - it sounds like the transcript is definitely the more reliable source. I was starting to worry that maybe there was an issue with my bank account info, but it's good to know this is a common system glitch during tax season. I'll trust the 846 code and stop obsessively checking WMR every few hours. Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences - this community is so helpful for first-time filers like me who don't know what's normal!
Welcome to the community! I totally understand that anxiety as a first-time filer - the whole process can feel overwhelming when these systems don't match up. You're absolutely right to trust the 846 code over WMR. I went through something similar my first year filing and spent way too much time refreshing that WMR page! The good news is you're in great company here - everyone's been super helpful with explaining how these IRS systems work. Your 3/12 date should be solid, so try to resist that urge to check every few hours (easier said than done, I know!). This community really is a lifesaver for navigating all the confusing parts of tax season.
Worth noting that if you do qualify for TTS, you'll need to make quarterly estimated tax payments on your trading income. This includes both income tax and self-employment tax. I got hit with an underpayment penalty my first year because I didn't realize this.
What's the threshold for having to make quarterly payments? Is it a certain dollar amount or percentage of your expected tax bill?
Generally, you need to make quarterly estimated payments if you expect to owe $1,000 or more in tax when you file your return. The safe harbor rule is that you need to pay either 90% of the current year's tax liability OR 100% of last year's tax liability (110% if your prior year AGI was over $150,000). Since crypto trading profits can be unpredictable, I'd recommend using the annualized income installment method if your trading income varies significantly quarter to quarter. This lets you base each quarterly payment on your actual income for that period rather than estimating the full year upfront. The self-employment tax component makes this especially important for traders since that's an additional 15.3% on top of regular income tax rates.
Great discussion here! I'm in a similar situation as a crypto day trader and wanted to share what I've learned from my CPA about TTS qualification. The key factors they emphasized were: 1. **Frequency and regularity** - You need to trade on a substantial, regular, and continuous basis. Your 20-50 trades per week sounds like it could qualify, especially if you're doing this consistently throughout the year. 2. **Time commitment** - The "substantial" requirement typically means spending several hours daily on trading activities, including research and analysis (not just executing trades). 3. **Intent to profit from short-term price movements** - This is crucial for crypto traders since you need to show you're trading to capture market swings, not holding for long-term appreciation. One thing I learned is that you should start keeping detailed records NOW if you plan to claim TTS for 2025. Document your daily trading time, maintain separate accounts for trading vs. investment activities, and keep receipts for all business expenses. The IRS scrutinizes TTS claims heavily, especially for newer asset classes like crypto. Also consider consulting with a tax professional who has experience with crypto TTS claims before making the election. The self-employment tax implications can be significant, so you want to make sure the Schedule C deductions outweigh that additional tax burden in your specific situation.
This is really helpful, thanks for the detailed breakdown! I'm curious about the record-keeping aspect you mentioned. What specific documentation did your CPA recommend for tracking daily trading time? I've been keeping trade logs but haven't been documenting my research and analysis time. Also, when you mention "separate accounts for trading vs. investment activities" - does this mean I need completely different exchange accounts, or can I just maintain separate records showing which trades were for business vs. investment purposes? I have some crypto that I'm holding long-term alongside my day trading activities.
Has anyone used a variable premium approach? My accountant suggested structuring the SCIN with a premium that adjusts over time based on remaining life expectancy. He said this might be more defensible than a single fixed premium, especially for longer-term notes.
I've seen this approach. It's more complicated but can be more accurate, especially for longer terms. The premium recalculates periodically based on updated mortality risk. Just make sure the adjustment mechanism is clearly defined in the original agreement and follows accepted actuarial principles.
Great discussion everyone! As someone who recently went through this process with my elderly father, I wanted to add a few practical points: First, timing is crucial. We made the mistake of waiting until my dad was 72 to start exploring SCINs, and by then the required premium was quite high due to his age. If you're considering this strategy, don't wait too long - the younger you are when you establish the SCIN, the lower the premium needs to be. Second, consider the impact on your beneficiaries' basis step-up. With a SCIN, if you die before it's fully paid, your heirs don't get a stepped-up basis in the transferred asset. This could mean higher capital gains taxes for them later. Make sure to factor this into your overall estate planning strategy. Finally, document everything meticulously. We kept detailed records of all appraisals, actuarial calculations, medical records (even routine checkups), and the reasoning behind our premium methodology. When the IRS eventually reviewed the transaction after my father passed two years later, having that comprehensive documentation made the audit process much smoother. The peace of mind was worth the extra cost and complexity. Just make sure you work with professionals who really understand SCINs - not every estate attorney is equally experienced with them.
This is incredibly helpful, thank you! I'm 67 so I'm glad I'm not waiting too long to explore this. The point about basis step-up is something I hadn't fully considered - that's a significant factor that could affect my kids' tax situation down the road. Can you elaborate on how you documented the "reasoning behind your premium methodology"? I want to make sure I'm covering all the bases if the IRS ever questions our calculations. Did you work with a specific type of professional for the actuarial calculations, or was your estate attorney able to handle that part? Also, when you mention the audit went smoothly - did they accept your premium calculation without adjustment, or did you have to negotiate anything?
Anderson Prospero
One thing to consider - check if the platforms you work with issue 1099 forms or any other tax documents to you at year-end. If they do, you should verify whether these were issued to you personally or to your company during the last two years. This might affect how you need to address the situation.
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Tyrone Hill
β’This is super important. If they were issuing 1099s to your personal name/SSN rather than your company's EIN, that creates a mismatch that could potentially trigger automated flags in the IRS systems. The name/ID on the 1099 should match who's reporting the income.
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Jade Lopez
Don't panic too much about this - it's a more common mistake than you'd think! I made the exact same error when I transitioned my consulting business from sole proprietorship to an LLC a few years back. The key thing is that you've corrected it now and you've been properly reporting the income. Since you mentioned you've been paying UK corporation tax on all the earnings, that shows good faith compliance with your tax obligations. One thing I'd suggest is documenting everything - keep copies of both the old W8BEN and new W8BEN-E forms, along with the dates you submitted the updates to each platform. If any questions ever come up, having a clear timeline showing when you discovered the issue and immediately corrected it will work in your favor. Also, since the UK has a tax treaty with the US, the withholding rates are likely the same regardless of which form was used, so there probably wasn't any actual tax impact - just a documentation mismatch that you've now resolved.
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Malik Jackson
β’This is really reassuring to hear from someone who went through the same thing! I've been losing sleep over this but you're right that the documentation aspect seems to be the main issue rather than any actual tax problems. I'm definitely going to follow your advice about keeping everything documented. I've already saved copies of both forms and I'm creating a timeline of when everything happened. It's good to know that the treaty rates probably mean there wasn't any real financial impact from using the wrong form. Did you end up having to do anything beyond just updating the forms with your clients, or was that sufficient to resolve everything?
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