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I'm dealing with a similar situation as a freelance consultant - had several business expenses in 2020 but very little income due to the pandemic. From what I've researched and discussed with other self-employed folks, you definitely can and should claim those legitimate business expenses even with zero income. The key things to remember: keep all your receipts and documentation organized, make sure the expenses were genuinely for business purposes (which yours clearly were - license, insurance, conference, supplies are all standard business costs), and don't let the software warnings scare you. A net loss from a business is completely normal and legal, especially during 2020. One tip that helped me - when entering everything in the tax software, I made notes in the description fields explaining the business purpose of each expense. It helps create a clear paper trail showing these were legitimate business costs, not personal expenses you're trying to write off.
Great advice about adding notes in the description fields! I hadn't thought of that but it makes total sense to document the business purpose right in the software. As someone new to self-employment, this whole thread has been incredibly helpful. It's reassuring to know that claiming expenses with zero income is not only allowed but pretty common, especially for 2020. I'm definitely going to keep better records this year and make sure to separate business and personal expenses from the start.
This is actually a really straightforward situation that many self-employed people faced in 2020. You absolutely should report your business on Schedule C even without receiving any 1099s - the IRS doesn't require you to have received a 1099 to report business income (or in your case, $0 income). All of those expenses you mentioned - the license renewal, liability insurance, office supplies, and business conference - are completely legitimate business deductions. The fact that you had no income doesn't disqualify you from claiming them. You'll end up with a net business loss, which can actually help reduce your overall tax liability if you have other income. A few important points: Make sure you keep all receipts and documentation for these expenses. The conference expenses should be broken down properly (travel, meals at 50%, lodging, etc.). And don't worry about audit flags - business losses are normal, especially for 2020. The IRS understands that many businesses had extraordinary circumstances that year. Just file Schedule C with $0 gross receipts and list all your legitimate business expenses. Your tax software should handle this just fine.
This is really helpful confirmation! I'm in a similar boat as the original poster - had a consulting business that basically went to zero during the pandemic but still had legitimate expenses. One thing I'm curious about though - when you mention breaking down the conference expenses properly, what's the best way to handle the meal portion? Do you need to separate out exactly what was spent on meals during the conference, or can you estimate a reasonable percentage of the total conference cost?
As another newcomer who just went through this exact nightmare, I wanted to share what finally worked for me. After reading through all these helpful comments, I checked my email more thoroughly and found not one, but THREE different emails from TurboTax about my refund advance - one initial confirmation, one from Green Dot with setup instructions, and a third one that got buried in my promotions tab with the actual account details. The Green Dot app route that NeonNinja mentioned saved me too! My advance had been sitting there for almost a week while I was frantically checking my regular bank account. What's really frustrating is that TurboTax's own "Refund Status" page just showed "processing" with no mention of where to actually look for the funds. It's clear from everyone's experiences that this isn't just user error - TurboTax has genuinely created a confusing system with multiple banking partners and poor communication. I'm definitely joining the "direct deposit only" club next year. Thanks to this community for being more helpful than TurboTax's actual customer service!
Dmitry, thanks for sharing your experience - it's both reassuring and infuriating to know I'm not alone in this mess! I'm completely new to this community and dealing with the same TurboTax runaround right now. Your point about finding THREE separate emails is spot on - I just went back through my inbox and found similar scattered communications that made no sense individually. It's like they intentionally designed this system to be as confusing as possible. I finally found my advance in Green Dot too after reading everyone's advice here. What bothers me most is that we're all paying extra fees for this "premium" service that requires detective work to actually use. This thread has been infinitely more helpful than anything on TurboTax's website or their customer support. Definitely learned my lesson about avoiding these advance products in the future - the stress and confusion just aren't worth the few days of "early" access!
As someone completely new to this community and currently stuck in the same TurboTax refund advance maze, I can't thank everyone enough for sharing their experiences here! I've been checking my regular bank account obsessively for the past week with no luck. After reading through all these posts, I immediately went to check my spam/promotions folders and found the buried Green Dot email from 5 days ago - my advance has been sitting there this whole time! It's absolutely ridiculous that TurboTax markets this as a streamlined service when it requires community forums and detective work to actually access your own money. The fact that they're using multiple banking partners (Green Dot, Credit Karma Money, etc.) without clearly communicating which one applies to each customer is just terrible service design. This thread provided more clarity in 15 minutes than hours of navigating TurboTax's confusing interface. Count me in with everyone else who's swearing off these advance products - direct deposit to my own bank account is definitely the way to go next year. Thanks again to everyone, especially NeonNinja, for the Green Dot tip that actually solved this!
Amy, welcome to the community and I'm so glad you found your funds! As another newcomer who just went through this exact same frustrating experience, I completely relate to the obsessive bank account checking. I discovered this thread while desperately searching for answers after TurboTax's own support was completely unhelpful. Like you, I found my advance sitting in Green Dot for days without realizing it. What really gets me is that we're all having virtually identical experiences - buried emails, confusing interfaces, multiple banking partners with no clear communication about which one to use. It's clearly a systemic problem with how TurboTax has designed this service. This community thread has been more valuable than their entire customer support system! I'm definitely joining the direct deposit camp next year too. Thanks to everyone who shared their stories - it's reassuring to know we're not crazy for finding this process unnecessarily complicated!
I've been dealing with transcript access issues too! One thing that helped me was making sure I was using the exact same personal information (name, SSN, address) that the IRS has on file from my most recent return. Even small differences like abbreviations vs. full street names can cause the system to reject your login. Also, if you're still having trouble after trying all these suggestions, you can request transcripts by mail using Form 4506-T. It takes 5-10 business days but it's a reliable backup option when the online system isn't cooperating. The mailed transcripts show all the same information including amendment status codes.
Great point about the exact personal information matching! I ran into this exact issue when my address had "Street" instead of "St." in their system. One additional tip - if you do go the Form 4506-T route, make sure to check box 6c for "Account Transcript" specifically if you need to see amendment codes. I made the mistake of only requesting the "Return Transcript" first and had to submit another form. The Account Transcript is what shows the TC 971 and TC 290 codes that everyone's mentioning for tracking amended return status.
I had this exact same issue last month! The new IRS transcript system is definitely confusing. What worked for me was using a completely fresh browser session - I cleared all cookies, cache, and browsing data, then went directly to irs.gov/individuals/get-transcript. Don't use any bookmarks from previous years as those URLs might be outdated. When you get to the verification step, I'd recommend trying the Direct Authentication method first before ID.me - it seemed more reliable for me. Also, make sure you're looking for the right transcript type: for amended returns, you need the "Account Transcript" which will show processing codes. The "Return Transcript" won't show amendment status. If you're still stuck after trying these steps, the phone option that @Liam Fitzgerald mentioned might be worth it since amended returns can have specific issues that need agent assistance.
Thanks for the detailed steps @Elijah O'Reilly! I'm actually new to dealing with amended returns and this whole transcript system, but your browser reset tip makes a lot of sense. I've been having similar redirect issues and didn't think about cached data causing conflicts. One question - when you mention the "Account Transcript" showing processing codes, do you know roughly how long it takes for those codes to appear after filing an amendment? I filed mine about 6 weeks ago and I'm wondering if I should even see anything yet or if it's still too early. The waiting is driving me crazy since my regular refund was supposed to help with some bills!
Don't forget that US Social Security benefits paid to non-residents also fall into this middle category! If you worked in the US in the past but now live abroad, your Social Security payments are US-sourced income not effectively connected with a trade or business. These are generally subject to 30% withholding unless your country has a tax treaty with better terms. For example, Canada's treaty makes US Social Security completely exempt from US tax for Canadian residents.
That's super helpful! What about pension distributions from a 401k plan if you previously worked in the US but are now a non-resident? Would those also fall into this category?
Yes, 401(k) distributions to non-residents are generally treated the same way! They're considered US-sourced income not effectively connected with a trade or business, so they're subject to the 30% withholding rate (or whatever your treaty rate is). However, there's an important distinction: if the distributions are from employee contributions that were made with after-tax dollars, those portions aren't subject to withholding since they were already taxed. Only the pre-tax contributions and earnings are subject to the withholding. Many countries have treaty provisions that reduce or eliminate withholding on pension distributions. For example, the US-UK treaty generally exempts pension distributions from US withholding if you're a UK resident. Definitely worth checking your specific country's treaty!
This is such a helpful thread! I've been struggling with this exact issue as a non-resident. One thing that really helped me understand the distinction was thinking about it in terms of "passive" vs "active" income. The middle category (US-sourced income NOT effectively connected with a US trade or business) is essentially passive income - you're not actively working or conducting business in the US to earn it. Examples include: - Bank interest from US accounts - Dividends from US stocks in your investment portfolio - Capital gains from selling US securities - Rental income from a property you own but don't actively manage - Lottery or gambling winnings in the US - Annuity payments from US sources The key test is whether you have a "US trade or business." Simply owning investments or property doesn't create a trade or business - you need to be actively engaged in commercial activities with some regularity and continuity in the US. So if you're sitting in Tokyo and receive Apple dividends, that's passive US-sourced income taxed at 30% (or your treaty rate). But if you're flying to New York every month to actively manage a trading business, that same investment income might be "effectively connected" and taxed at regular US rates.
This is exactly the clarification I needed! The passive vs active income framework makes it so much clearer. I've been worried about my US stock portfolio while living abroad, but now I understand that simply owning shares and receiving dividends doesn't constitute "conducting business" in the US. Your example about flying to New York monthly to manage trading activities really helps illustrate where the line gets drawn. I assume the IRS looks at factors like how much time you spend in the US, whether you have a fixed place of business, and how actively you're involved in generating the income? Thanks for breaking this down so clearly - this thread has been incredibly educational!
Miranda Singer
lmaooo the IRS is such a joke. processing date means absolutely nothing except they touched ur file with their clown hands š¤”
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Cass Green
ā¢facts š they stay playing with our money
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Maggie Martinez
The processing date basically just shows when the IRS system last "touched" your file - could be for review, corrections, or actually processing your refund. What you really want to look for is a 846 refund issued code on your transcript. That's when you know money is actually coming! The processing date changing is usually good though - means you're not completely forgotten in the system.
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Miguel Ramos
ā¢This is super helpful! I've been staring at my transcript for days trying to figure out what all these codes mean. So the 846 code is what I should actually be looking for? Mine just shows 150 and 766 codes right now. Thanks for breaking it down in simple terms! š
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Zara Shah
ā¢@Miguel Ramos Yes exactly! The 846 code is the golden ticket - that s'Refund "Issued with" your actual refund date. The 150 code you re'seeing is just your tax liability what (you owed and) 766 is usually a credit to your account. So you re'still waiting for that 846 to show up. Keep checking weekly since most transcripts update on Fridays!
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