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Olivia Martinez

Self-employed travel agent with $0 income but expenses - no 1099 received, can I still claim costs?

So I've been running a small travel agent business on the side - it's all commission-based and well... 2020 was brutal. Literally zero income because nobody was traveling during the pandemic. I didn't receive any 1099 forms since I had no earnings. The problem is I did have quite a few expenses in early 2020 before everything shut down. I had to pay for my annual license renewal ($325), professional liability insurance ($480), some office supplies (around $200), and attended a business conference in February ($750 including travel). I'm trying to figure out how to handle this on my taxes. Do I just enter $0 income in the tax software even though there's no 1099? And more importantly, can I still claim all those business expenses when I literally made nothing? Any help would be appreciated because I'm totally confused about how to handle this situation.

Charlie Yang

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You absolutely can still claim your business expenses even with zero income! This is actually pretty common for businesses that have a down year or are just starting up. Here's what you need to do: You'll still report your business on Schedule C even without a 1099. Enter $0 for your income, then list all your legitimate business expenses in the appropriate categories. The software will calculate a net loss for your business, which can actually help offset other income you might have. Just make sure you're keeping good records of all those expenses - receipts, bank statements, etc. Having zero income doesn't disqualify you from claiming expenses, but it might increase your chances of getting asked questions if you're audited. As long as these were genuine business expenses and you were actively trying to make money (just had a bad year due to the pandemic), you're fine to claim them.

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Grace Patel

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But doesn't claiming a loss for multiple years potentially trigger an IRS audit? I've heard they have some kind of rule about making a profit in 3 out of 5 years or they consider it a hobby?

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Charlie Yang

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That's a good question about multiple years of losses. Yes, the IRS does have what's called the "hobby loss rule" where they generally expect you to show a profit in 3 out of 5 years to be considered a legitimate business rather than a hobby. However, 2020 was an exceptional year due to the pandemic, especially for travel-related businesses. The key is being able to demonstrate that you're running the business with the intent to make a profit, not just as a hobby. Keep documentation of your marketing efforts, business plans, and anything showing you were actively trying to get clients despite the pandemic. The fact that you had profitable years before (assuming you did) will also help establish that this is a legitimate business facing extraordinary circumstances.

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ApolloJackson

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Ava Harris

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Just to add another perspective - I'm a tax preparer, and this situation is actually very common for 2020 tax returns. You should absolutely file a Schedule C showing your $0 income and all legitimate expenses. One thing to be careful about though - make sure you've kept your business and personal expenses completely separate. Mixed-use items need to be allocated appropriately. For instance, if you have a home office, you can only deduct the portion used exclusively for business. Same goes for internet, phone, etc.

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Thanks for the professional insight! My home office is actually a dedicated room that I only use for the travel business, so that sounds like it would qualify. Would I use Form 8829 for that? And approximately what percentage of internet/phone expenses do people typically claim for a home-based business?

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Ava Harris

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Yes, you would use Form 8829 for your home office deduction. Most tax software will walk you through this when you indicate you have a home office. Since you have a dedicated room used exclusively for business, you'll calculate the percentage based on the square footage of that room divided by your total home square footage. For internet and phone expenses, there's no typical percentage as it varies greatly by business type. You need to determine a reasonable business use percentage based on your actual usage patterns. For a travel agent business, you might use your phone heavily for business calls, so perhaps 70-80% would be reasonable if it's your primary business line. For internet, maybe 50-60% if you're regularly using it for research, bookings, and client communications. Just be prepared to justify these percentages if ever questioned by providing a reasonable explanation of your business activities.

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Jacob Lee

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Has anyone else noticed that tax software doesn't handle this situation very well? I tried entering $0 income with expenses in TurboTax last year and it kept giving me warnings about potential audit flags.

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I used FreeTaxUSA for this exact situation and it worked fine. It let me enter all my business expenses with $0 income and didn't give me any weird warnings. Plus it's way cheaper than TurboTax.

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I'm dealing with a similar situation as a freelance consultant - had several business expenses in 2020 but very little income due to the pandemic. From what I've researched and discussed with other self-employed folks, you definitely can and should claim those legitimate business expenses even with zero income. The key things to remember: keep all your receipts and documentation organized, make sure the expenses were genuinely for business purposes (which yours clearly were - license, insurance, conference, supplies are all standard business costs), and don't let the software warnings scare you. A net loss from a business is completely normal and legal, especially during 2020. One tip that helped me - when entering everything in the tax software, I made notes in the description fields explaining the business purpose of each expense. It helps create a clear paper trail showing these were legitimate business costs, not personal expenses you're trying to write off.

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