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Sarah Jones

Self-employment deductions with zero income for my freelance business

So I've been working as a freelance digital marketer on and off for like forever (well, since the early 2000s). This past year has been pretty rough and I literally made $0 from my side hustle. But I still have all the expenses - maintaining my website, paying for my home office setup, buying supplies, upgrading equipment, etc. The thing is, I'm still actively trying to get clients and keeping everything ready for when business picks up again. I didn't shut down operations or anything. I'm just in a dry spell. Can I still deduct these business expenses on my taxes even though I had zero income from the business this year? I've got receipts for everything and these are legitimate business expenses that I need to maintain my freelance operation. Just wondering if there are any tips or tricks for handling this situation on my 2025 tax return. I don't want to mess up and trigger an audit!

This is actually a common question for freelancers with cyclical business. The IRS looks at whether you're running your business with the intention of making a profit, not whether you actually made money in a particular year. You need to be careful though. The IRS has what's called a "hobby loss rule" - if you don't show a profit in 3 out of 5 consecutive years, they might consider your business a hobby instead of a legitimate business. Hobbies can't deduct expenses that exceed income (meaning with zero income, you'd get zero deductions). I'd recommend documenting all your efforts to find clients this year - emails, proposals, marketing efforts, etc. Keep a business log showing the time you've invested. Make sure your home office is used exclusively for business. And definitely keep all those receipts organized. You can still claim these expenses on Schedule C even with zero income, but be prepared to demonstrate that this is a legitimate business going through a temporary downturn, not a hobby.

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Emily Sanjay

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Thanks for the explanation! If OP does get audited because of claiming losses for several years, what kind of documentation would the IRS typically ask for to prove it's a legitimate business and not a hobby?

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The IRS typically looks for documentation showing your serious intention to operate as a business. This includes a separate business bank account, business cards, a formal business plan, marketing materials, and records of time spent on business activities. They also consider factors like whether you depend on the income, have modified your methods to improve profitability, have successfully run similar activities before, and whether you have expertise in the field. Basically, anything that shows you're approaching this as a serious business venture rather than just a hobby you're trying to write off.

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Jordan Walker

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Natalie Adams

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Did they actually look at your specific receipts and stuff or is it more general advice? I'm in a similar situation but with a photography business that made almost nothing last year.

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How is this different from just talking to a regular accountant? I'm skeptical about these AI tax tools. What happens if the IRS disagrees with their advice?

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Jordan Walker

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Natalie Adams

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Update: I tried taxr.ai after posting my question and wow - it was exactly what I needed! I uploaded my photography business receipts, equipment purchases, and website costs. Even though I only made $75 all year, they helped me understand how to properly document everything as legitimate business expenses. They confirmed I could claim my deductions but emphasized I needed to show clear intent to make a profit. They actually spotted some deductions I was going to miss (like mileage to networking events) and flagged a couple items that might raise audit concerns. Super helpful and saved me from making some mistakes on my Schedule C!

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Mason Kaczka

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One thing nobody's mentioned yet - you might want to consider if some of your ongoing expenses could be reduced during slow periods. I was in the same boat with my consulting business last year, and I temporarily downgraded my website to a cheaper host, paused some subscription services, etc. This actually helped me in two ways - reduced my out-of-pocket costs AND made my business look more legitimate to the IRS since I was actively managing expenses during a downturn (which is what real businesses do). Just something to consider!

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Sarah Jones

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That's actually really smart advice! I hadn't thought about temporarily scaling back some services. I could probably downgrade my website hosting package and pause a couple of the marketing tools I subscribe to until I have active clients again. Does making these kinds of adjustments help if the IRS questions whether this is a real business vs hobby?

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Mason Kaczka

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Absolutely! Taking active steps to manage costs during downturns demonstrates business acumen and profit motive - exactly what the IRS looks for when determining if something is a legitimate business. It shows you're treating this as a serious enterprise with financial management, not just a hobby where expenses don't matter. The IRS specifically considers whether you operate in a "businesslike manner" as one of the factors in the hobby loss rule determination. Adjusting your spending based on business conditions is a clear example of businesslike behavior that helps your case.

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Sophia Russo

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Don't forget to also look at your state tax rules! I'm in California and our rules for business deductions sometimes differ from federal. I had zero income in my consulting business in 2023 but was able to carry forward some of those losses to offset income when I started making money again in 2024.

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Evelyn Xu

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This is a good point! Also, depending on your state, you might still need to file a state business return even with $0 income. I got hit with a penalty in NJ because I didn't file my annual report even though my business made nothing that year.

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Sarah Jones

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Good reminder about state taxes! I'm in Texas so at least I don't have state income tax to worry about, but I should definitely check if there are any state filing requirements for active businesses with no income.

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Chloe Harris

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Sarah, you're definitely not alone in this situation! I went through something similar with my freelance graphic design business a couple years ago. Zero income but thousands in legitimate expenses. The key thing is documenting your profit motive. Keep records of all your client outreach efforts - emails, proposals sent, networking events attended, website analytics showing you're actively marketing, etc. I created a simple spreadsheet tracking my business development activities each week, which really helped when I had questions about my deductions. Also consider joining professional associations in your field if you haven't already. The membership fees are deductible business expenses, and it shows you're serious about your profession. I joined the local chamber of commerce and a digital marketing group - both were great for networking and added credibility to my business operations. One more tip: if you're using part of your home exclusively for business, make sure you're claiming the home office deduction properly. Even with zero income, this can help establish that you have a dedicated business space, which supports your case that this is a legitimate business operation.

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