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Logan Greenburg

Can I deduct business expenses for my startup that hasn't launched yet?

Hey tax folks, I need some advice! I've been working on a small side hustle since last summer to bring in extra income alongside my regular job. So far I've invested around $650 in startup costs (got all my receipts saved). I've built two different websites, but they're currently offline because I still need to develop more product materials (probably another $800 or so). The thing is, I haven't actually launched or made any sales yet. Life got in the way (doesn't it always?) and everything's taking longer than I planned. But I'm definitely still working toward making this a real business. Can I claim the $650 I've already spent as business expenses on my taxes this year even though I haven't made any income from it yet? Or do I need to wait until I actually start selling something?

You can absolutely claim those startup expenses, but there are some important things to consider here. The IRS allows you to deduct business expenses as long as your activity qualifies as a business rather than a hobby. The key factor is your intent to make a profit, not whether you've actually made sales yet. For a new business, you can either deduct up to $5,000 in startup costs in your first year (with the remainder amortized over 15 years), or you can choose to amortize all costs over 15 years. Keep in mind, though, that you need to be "open for business" to start taking these deductions. Since you haven't launched yet, you might want to consider whether you were truly "in business" during 2024. If not, you might need to capitalize these costs until you begin operations. The good news is that good recordkeeping now will allow you to claim these expenses properly when you do launch.

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Thanks for the detailed response! I'm definitely intending to make a profit, this isn't just a hobby. But I'm confused about the "open for business" part. Does that mean I need to have made at least one sale before I can claim anything? Or is actively developing the business enough?

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Being "open for business" means you're ready and available to serve customers, even if you haven't made sales yet. If your websites were operational and you were actively marketing or seeking customers, that could qualify. The fact that your websites are offline and you're still developing products suggests you might not quite be at the operational stage yet. In this case, these would be considered startup expenses that you'll eventually deduct when you do launch. The good news is that maintaining those receipts is exactly right - you'll need that documentation when you do claim these expenses.

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Lucas Bey

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Does it work with other types of businesses too? I have a small construction business and always wonder if I'm claiming things correctly.

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One thing nobody's mentioned yet is that you might actually be in a good position to show the IRS you're serious about running a business rather than a hobby. The fact that you're keeping receipts and planning ahead shows business intent. Make sure you have a separate business bank account and maybe even draft a simple business plan. The IRS looks at nine factors to determine if something's a business vs hobby, and showing you're operating in a businesslike manner is one of them.

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Thanks for the tip! I do have a separate checking account I've been using just for these expenses. Should I be doing anything else to make sure it's all seen as a legitimate business? I'm not trying to make a ton of money but definitely want to turn a profit eventually.

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You're already on the right track with the separate bank account! Other things that help establish business intent include: Keep a log of the time you spend working on the business, even before launch. This shows the IRS you're putting in consistent effort. Also consider creating some form of basic business plan, even if it's just a few pages outlining your goals, target market, and expected timeline to profitability. Even if you don't make a profit in the first few years, having documentation showing you're making decisions with profit in mind will help if the IRS ever questions whether this is a business or hobby. Remember the general rule is that businesses should show a profit in 3 out of 5 years (though there are exceptions).

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Can u use TurboTax for this kind of business expense stuff or do u need a real accountant? I'm in basically the same boat with my candle business.

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Alexis Renard

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TurboTax Self-Employed handles this pretty well actually. It walks you through all the Schedule C stuff and asks about startup costs specifically. I used it last year for my photography side gig.

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Carmen Vega

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The biggest thing to keep in mind is that the IRS has specific rules about when you can start claiming business expenses. Since your websites are offline and you're still in development mode, you're likely in what the IRS calls the "pre-opening" phase. For startup costs like yours, you generally can't deduct them until you actually begin business operations. However, once you do launch, you can elect to deduct up to $5,000 in startup costs in your first year of business (assuming your total startup costs don't exceed $50,000). My advice? Keep meticulous records of everything you're spending now - those receipts will be gold when you do launch. Consider getting an EIN from the IRS (it's free) and maybe register your business name if you haven't already. These steps help establish that you're serious about this being a business rather than a hobby. The silver lining is that when you do launch, you'll likely be able to claim most of those expenses right away rather than having to spread them over 15 years like some other startup costs.

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