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Natasha Kuznetsova

Need clarification from a tax professional about business vs personal tax return for my new app startup

Hey tax folks! I launched my app in early 2024 and have been pouring money into it since then. So far I've invested around $270K of my own funds into development, marketing, servers, etc., but I'm not seeing any profit yet (typical startup life, right?). I'm trying to figure out how to handle this on my taxes. Should these expenses be written off as startup costs? Or should I be handling this differently? Some people have told me to file a separate business return, others say I should just deduct it all on my personal return. I've gotten completely different advice from a few people I've asked, and I'm honestly confused about the best approach here. Would really appreciate some professional guidance before tax season hits!

You're asking about a really important distinction in tax treatment for startups. The way you handle these expenses depends on a few factors. First, how you've structured your business matters a lot. If you're a sole proprietor, you'd report business income and expenses on Schedule C of your personal tax return (Form 1040). If you've formed an LLC, corporation, or partnership, the filing requirements would be different. For substantial startup costs like yours, you generally have two options: You can either deduct up to $5,000 in the first year (subject to limitations) and then amortize the remaining costs over 15 years, or you can choose to amortize all startup costs over 15 years. This is covered under Section 195 of the tax code. Given the significant amount you've invested, you might benefit from working with a CPA who specializes in startups to optimize your tax position. They can help you determine the most advantageous way to structure your business and handle these expenses.

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Thanks for the detailed response! I actually set up an LLC but elected for it to be taxed as a sole proprietor (single-member LLC). Does that change how I should handle these expenses? And what's the advantage of amortizing vs deducting everything now?

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With a single-member LLC taxed as a sole proprietorship, you'll report everything on Schedule C of your personal tax return. This is good because you can deduct business losses against your other income. For startup costs specifically, deducting what you can now versus amortizing comes down to your current and expected future income. If you're generating other substantial income this year, taking more deductions now might be beneficial to offset that income. If you expect the app to be profitable soon, spreading deductions through amortization might save you more in the long run when you're in a higher tax bracket. Given your substantial investment, I'd also look into whether some expenses might actually be capital expenditures (like software development costs) which have different treatment. This is definitely a situation where consulting with a tax professional who can review your specific expenses would be valuable.

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Emma Anderson

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Omar Mahmoud

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Something important nobody's mentioned yet - if you're investing that much into app development, you should also look into the R&D tax credit (officially called the Credit for Increasing Research Activities). Software development often qualifies, and it's a dollar-for-dollar credit, not just a deduction. With $270K spent, a significant portion might qualify if it went to developers working on technological innovation. You'd use Form 6765, and the credit can be up to 20% of qualified research expenses. For startups, there's even a provision to apply up to $250,000 against your payroll taxes if you don't have income tax liability.

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This is really helpful! A lot of that money did go to developers creating new algorithms for the app. Is there a specific way I need to document these expenses to qualify for the R&D credit? And can I claim this credit as a single-member LLC?

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Omar Mahmoud

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You can absolutely claim the R&D credit as a single-member LLC, since the credit will flow through to your personal return. Documentation is crucial though - you need to track not just the expenses but also what specifically was being developed. For developer costs to qualify, you need to document what technical uncertainties they were addressing, the process of experimentation, and how it relies on hard sciences (computer science counts). Keep timesheets showing hours spent on qualified activities, project plans showing the research component, and any technical documentation describing the innovations.

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Chloe Harris

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I was in almost identical situation with my fitness app startup. Make sure you're not missing deductions for home office if you're working from home (must be exclusive use area), any business travel, business portion of phone/internet, cloud services, contractor payments, etc. One thing that bit me: if your app has users already but isn't monetized yet, technically you're already "in business" not "startup phase" according to the IRS. This affected which expenses I could deduct immediately vs amortize.

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Diego Vargas

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Did you face any issues with the IRS questioning your business vs hobby status since you weren't profitable? I've heard they scrutinize tech startups that show losses for multiple years.

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