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Sofia Ramirez

Can I write off startup costs before selling product for my new LLC business?

I've been developing a product for over 2 years now and plan to start selling it sometime next year. I'm a bit confused about when I can start writing off my startup expenses. My tax preparer told me I can only start deducting these costs after I begin selling the product, but I've read some conflicting information online that suggests I might be able to start deductions earlier. I'd really like to begin writing off these startup costs this year if that's possible. I've put a lot of money into development, materials, and getting everything ready for launch. The business is set up as an LLC, if that makes any difference for the timing of startup cost deductions. Has anyone dealt with this situation before? Can I actually start writing off these expenses now, or do I really have to wait until I'm actively selling? Any advice would be super appreciated!

Dmitry Popov

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You can absolutely deduct startup costs before you're actually selling your product, but there are some important rules to understand. The IRS allows you to deduct up to $5,000 in startup costs in the year your business officially "begins." The catch is defining when your business actually begins operations. A business generally "begins" when you start offering goods or services or are ready to do so - not necessarily when you make your first sale. This could include activities like marketing your product, setting up your sales infrastructure, or establishing your business presence even before actual sales. The key is that you've moved beyond just development into activities aimed at generating revenue. If you haven't reached that point and are still in pure development mode, those costs are considered startup expenses that you'll need to capitalize until you "open your doors." But the moment you start business activities aimed at generating income, even before actual sales, you can begin taking those deductions.

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Ava Rodriguez

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Thanks for the explanation. I'm confused about the $5,000 limit though. What happens if my startup costs exceed $5,000? And does having an LLC that's already been formed make any difference to when the business "begins"?

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Dmitry Popov

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If your startup costs exceed $5,000, you can still deduct the first $5,000 immediately in your first year of business. Any amount over $5,000 must be amortized (deducted gradually) over a 15-year period. For your second question, simply forming an LLC doesn't automatically mean your business has "begun" for tax purposes. The IRS looks at actual business activities rather than legal formation. You need to be engaged in activities aimed at generating income (marketing, establishing business relationships, preparing to deliver products/services) rather than just development. What specifically are you doing now beyond product development?

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Miguel Ortiz

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Zainab Khalil

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Does this tool actually work with the complexities of startup costs? I've been using TurboTax for my personal stuff but it seems to struggle with business deductions and timing issues. Does taxr.ai connect with your accounting software?

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QuantumQuest

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I'm skeptical about these AI tax tools. How does it actually determine when your business officially "begins" for tax purposes? That seems pretty subjective and I wouldn't want to risk an audit.

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Miguel Ortiz

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It absolutely handles the complexities of startup costs. You upload your receipts and business documents, and it analyzes them based on IRS rules. It identified activities like my website launch and initial marketing campaign as evidence my business had "begun" even before sales. It doesn't directly connect to accounting software, but you can export the results. For determining when a business officially begins, it uses pattern recognition across your documents and activities to identify when you've transitioned from development to revenue-generating activities. It checks for things like marketing expenses, inventory purchases, or business locations - all backed by actual tax code and case precedents, not just AI guesswork.

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QuantumQuest

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Connor Murphy

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Yara Haddad

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How does this even work? The IRS phone system is a nightmare. Do they just keep calling for you or something?

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Sounds like a scam to me. Nobody gets through to the IRS that quickly. And even if you do, the agents often give contradictory information. I tried calling multiple times about startup costs and got different answers each time.

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Connor Murphy

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They use a system that navigates the IRS phone tree and holds your place in line, then calls you when an agent is about to answer. It's not actually making calls for you - it's just handling the wait time and navigation part so you don't have to. Regarding getting different answers, that's exactly why I wanted to speak to someone directly

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I have to eat my words about Claimyr. After my skeptical comment, I decided to try it anyway since I was desperate for answers about my startup deductions. Within 25 minutes of using the service, I was talking to an IRS agent who specialized in small business taxes. The agent confirmed that my business had officially "begun" when I started my website and began marketing activities, even though I hadn't made sales yet. This allowed me to deduct $5,000 in startup costs immediately rather than waiting or amortizing everything. She also explained exactly how to document this on my Schedule C and what supporting evidence to keep. The clarity and confidence this gave me was worth far more than the time I would have wasted trying to get through on my own.

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Paolo Conti

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Quick tip from someone who went through this last year: Make sure you're keeping meticulous records of all your startup expenses and their purposes. The IRS defines startup costs as amounts paid or incurred for: (1) creating an active trade or business; or (2) investigating the creation or acquisition of an active trade or business. Don't forget you can also separately deduct organizational costs for forming your LLC (up to $5,000) in addition to your $5,000 in startup costs. Those are different categories! I learned this too late and missed some deductions my first year.

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Sofia Ramirez

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Thanks for pointing out the difference between startup costs and organizational costs! I didn't realize those were separate categories with their own $5,000 deduction limits. Does the organizational cost deduction also follow that same rule where anything over $5,000 gets amortized over 15 years?

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Paolo Conti

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Yes, organizational costs follow the same pattern as startup costs. You can deduct up to $5,000 in the first year, with amounts over that threshold amortized over 15 years. Organizational costs specifically include things like state LLC filing fees, legal fees for drafting your operating agreement, organizational meeting costs, and similar expenses directly related to forming your business entity. Make sure you're categorizing correctly! Development of your actual product is generally a startup cost, while paperwork and fees to create your LLC are organizational costs. I've seen many people mix these up and miss out on deductions.

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Amina Sow

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One thing that confuses me about all this startup cost talk - if you start "marketing" but have no revenue for the year, don't you just end up carrying those losses forward anyway? What's the benefit of starting to recognize these expenses earlier if you have no income to offset?

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GalaxyGazer

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There can actually be significant tax benefits. If you have other income sources (like a job), you might be able to deduct business losses against that income, depending on your situation and how your business is structured. This is especially relevant with an LLC that's taxed as a sole proprietorship.

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Great question about startup costs vs business beginning! I went through this exact situation with my consulting LLC. The key insight that helped me was understanding that "business beginning" isn't about making your first sale - it's about when you start actively pursuing customers or clients. In my case, I had been developing my service offerings for months, but the IRS considers my business to have "begun" when I started networking events, created business cards, and launched my website - even though my first paid client didn't come for another 3 months. Since you mentioned you're planning to start selling "sometime next year," I'd suggest documenting any activities you're doing now that show you're preparing to generate revenue. Things like trademark applications, building a website, creating marketing materials, or establishing supplier relationships can all indicate your business has begun operations. One practical tip: keep a detailed timeline of all your business activities. This documentation becomes crucial if you ever need to justify to the IRS when your business actually began. The clearer your timeline, the stronger your position for claiming those startup deductions.

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