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Ravi Sharma

When can I deduct startup costs up to $5000 - year of expense or year business launches?

I'm in a bit of a dilemma here and would love some input from the tax gurus. I've been working on getting my custom woodworking business off the ground throughout 2024 - buying equipment, setting up a workshop, getting business licenses, etc. I've spent about $6,700 so far, but I won't actually start taking clients or making any income until February 2025. My question is about the timing of deducting these startup costs. Do I need to file a Schedule C for 2024 showing $0 income and claim the deductions there? Or should I wait and claim all these startup expenses on my 2025 Schedule C when I actually have some business income to report? I've heard there's a $5000 limit on startup costs but I'm confused about WHEN I'm supposed to claim them. I've been trying to keep detailed records of everything, but this timing thing has me scratching my head. Thanks for any advice!

Freya Larsen

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You've got options here! The IRS allows you to deduct up to $5,000 in startup costs in the year your business actually begins operating. Since your business won't be operational until February 2025, you should claim these deductions on your 2025 tax return (filed in 2026). You don't need to file a Schedule C for 2024 with $0 income. The key factor is not when you spend the money, but when your business officially begins operating (which is when you're ready to accept customers and generate income). For your situation, you'd include those $6,700 expenses on your 2025 Schedule C. However, since this exceeds the $5,000 limit, you can deduct $5,000 immediately in 2025, and then amortize (spread out) the remaining $1,700 over 180 months (15 years), which works out to about $11.33 per month or approximately $135.96 for the first year. Keep those detailed records - they'll be super helpful when tax time comes around!

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Omar Hassan

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Wait, so if I understand correctly, I have to spread the excess above $5,000 over 15 YEARS?? That seems ridiculous for a small business! Is there any way around this? And what counts as "officially begins operating"? What if I made a single sale in December 2024 - would that change anything?

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Freya Larsen

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Yes, the IRS requires you to amortize any startup expenses over $5,000 over a 15-year period. It does seem lengthy for small businesses, but that's the current tax code. For what counts as "officially begins operating," the IRS considers your business to have started when you begin providing goods or services and are open for business. If you made a legitimate sale in December 2024, you could argue your business began then, which would allow you to take the deduction on your 2024 return. Just make sure you have documentation of that sale and that it represents a genuine attempt to do business rather than just trying to establish an earlier start date for tax purposes.

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Chloe Taylor

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I went through this exact situation last year when starting my consulting business. After spending months researching suppliers and setting up systems, I was confused about when to deduct my startup costs. I tried several online resources but kept getting conflicting information. Then I found https://taxr.ai and uploaded my business formation documents and expense receipts. Their AI analyzed everything and gave me a clear breakdown of what qualified as startup expenses vs. organizational costs, and specifically told me I needed to wait until my business was "actively conducting business" before claiming the deduction. The tool even helped me identify about $900 in expenses I hadn't realized qualified as startup costs! Definitely saved me from making a filing mistake that could have caused problems later.

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ShadowHunter

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Did it actually tell you when your business was considered "actively conducting business" though? That seems to be the confusing part for most people, including me. I've been working on my photography business setup since October but won't have my first paid client until next month.

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Diego Ramirez

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How does taxr.ai handle different types of business structures? I'm setting up an LLC that will be taxed as an S-Corp and wondering if the same rules apply or if there are different considerations.

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Chloe Taylor

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Yes, it actually did provide that clarity. It explained that "actively conducting business" means you're ready and available to serve customers, even if you haven't made your first sale yet. For your photography situation, if you're advertising your services and ready to take clients, that could count as actively conducting business even before your first paid job. For LLC/S-Corp structures, the tool addresses that too. It explains that organizational costs for creating the legal entity are handled separately from startup costs, but the same $5,000 immediate deduction limit applies to each category. The tool breaks down which expenses fall into which category based on your business structure, which was really helpful since the rules are a bit different for corporations vs. sole proprietorships.

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ShadowHunter

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Just wanted to follow up on my experience using taxr.ai after getting the recommendation here. I uploaded my photography business expenses and formation paperwork, and it was incredibly helpful! The platform clearly identified which of my expenses qualified as startup costs vs. regular business expenses, and explained that since I started advertising and taking bookings in December 2024 (even though services wouldn't be performed until 2025), my business was considered "active" in 2024. This saved me from incorrectly waiting to deduct expenses on my 2025 return. It also flagged that some of my camera equipment should be depreciated rather than included in startup costs, which I had no idea about. Definitely would have done this wrong without the guidance!

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Luca Conti

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Quick question - does anyone know if startup costs for an online business follow the same rules? I've been developing a SaaS product throughout 2024 and have expenses around $4,200, but the product won't launch until March 2025. Would I follow the same guidelines mentioned here about waiting until 2025 to deduct these costs?

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Nia Johnson

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Online businesses follow the same general rules, but determining your "launch" date might be a bit different. If your SaaS product is in beta testing with some users paying reduced rates, that could potentially count as "actively conducting business" even before your official launch. But if you have zero customers and no revenue until March 2025, then 2025 would be when you'd claim those startup expenses.

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Luca Conti

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Thanks for the clarification! I don't have any beta testers paying anything yet - just some friends testing it for free. So it sounds like I should plan to claim everything on my 2025 return. That actually works better for me since I expect to have more income that year to offset against the deductions.

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CyberNinja

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Just to add a data point here - I had a similar situation last year with my interior design business. I started setting things up in November 2023 and had my first client in January 2024. I talked to my tax guy and he said to put ALL the startup expenses on my 2024 return since that's when I was "open for business." He also mentioned that the $5,000 limit gets reduced if your total startup costs exceed $50,000, which didn't apply to me but might be relevant for larger startups.

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Mateo Lopez

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Wait, the $5,000 limit gets reduced?? I never heard about that part. How does that work? I'm launching a boutique next month and I've probably spent close to $40,000 on startup costs already.

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Ethan Scott

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Yes, the $5,000 immediate deduction starts getting phased out once your total startup costs exceed $50,000. For every dollar over $50,000, your immediate deduction is reduced by one dollar. So if you have $52,000 in startup costs, you can only deduct $3,000 immediately ($5,000 minus $2,000). If your startup costs are $55,000 or more, you get no immediate deduction and have to amortize everything over 15 years. With $40,000 in costs, you're still under the threshold so you'd get the full $5,000 immediate deduction and amortize the remaining $35,000 over 180 months.

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Zoe Walker

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This is such a helpful thread! I'm dealing with a similar situation with my graphic design business. I've been wondering about equipment purchases specifically - I bought a new computer and design software in late 2024 totaling about $3,500, but I won't start taking clients until early 2025. From what I'm reading here, it sounds like these would count as startup costs that I'd claim in 2025 when my business becomes active. But I'm curious - would expensive equipment like computers be treated differently since they're depreciable assets? Or do they still fall under the startup cost rules since the business hasn't started yet? Also really appreciate the mentions of taxr.ai and Claimyr - might need to check those out since I've been going in circles trying to research this stuff on my own!

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Mei Chen

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Great question about equipment! For expensive equipment like computers and software, you're right to wonder about depreciation vs startup costs. Generally, if the equipment cost is substantial (like your $3,500 computer setup), it would typically be treated as a depreciable asset rather than included in startup costs, even if purchased before your business begins operating. The computer would likely be depreciated over 5 years using MACRS, and business software might qualify for Section 179 expensing (allowing you to deduct the full cost in the first year, subject to limits). However, since your business isn't active yet, you'd start the depreciation in 2025 when you begin operations. That said, the line between startup costs and depreciable assets can get blurry, especially for equipment that's essential to getting your business ready to operate. I'd definitely recommend using one of those tools mentioned or consulting with a tax professional to make sure you're categorizing everything correctly - getting this wrong could trigger an audit or cost you valuable deductions!

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Leila Haddad

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This has been such an informative discussion! I'm in a similar boat with my consulting business - spent about $4,800 on setup costs throughout 2024 but won't officially launch until March 2025. Based on all the great advice here, it sounds like I should wait and claim these startup costs on my 2025 return when I'm actually "actively conducting business." The clarity around that $5,000 immediate deduction limit and the 15-year amortization for anything over that amount is really helpful. One thing I'm still curious about - for those who mentioned using taxr.ai, does it help distinguish between what counts as startup costs versus regular business expenses? I have some ongoing subscription costs that started in 2024 but will continue into 2025, and I'm not sure how to categorize those. Are recurring expenses like software subscriptions treated differently than one-time startup costs? Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences - this thread has been more helpful than hours of trying to decode IRS publications!

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Zainab Ahmed

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Great question about recurring expenses! From my understanding, ongoing subscription costs that you incur before your business is active would typically be treated as startup costs for the period before you begin operations. So if you paid for software subscriptions from July-December 2024 but don't start your business until March 2025, those 2024 subscription costs would likely count toward your startup cost total. However, once your business becomes active in March 2025, those same subscription costs would then be treated as regular monthly business expenses going forward. The key distinction is whether the expense was incurred before or after you began actively conducting business. Regarding taxr.ai, I haven't used it personally but based on what others have shared here, it seems like it would help categorize these types of expenses correctly. The tricky part with recurring expenses is that they can span both the startup period and the operational period, so you need to split them appropriately between startup costs and regular business expenses based on your business launch date.

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Axel Bourke

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This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm launching a mobile app development business and have been struggling with this exact timing issue. I spent about $7,200 in 2024 on development tools, business registration, and market research, but won't have my first paying client until April 2025. Reading through everyone's experiences, it's clear I should wait and claim these as startup costs on my 2025 return. The breakdown of $5,000 immediate deduction plus amortizing the remaining $2,200 over 15 years makes sense now, even though that 15-year timeline seems brutal for a small business! I'm definitely going to check out both taxr.ai and Claimyr based on the positive experiences shared here. The distinction between startup costs and depreciable assets that @Mei Chen mentioned is particularly relevant since I also purchased some expensive development hardware that I wasn't sure how to categorize. One follow-up question - for those who have been through this process, did you need to maintain any special documentation to prove when your business "officially" became active? I'm worried about having to justify my March 2025 start date if the IRS ever questions it.

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Vanessa Chang

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Great question about documentation! Yes, you'll definitely want to keep solid records to support your business start date. I'd recommend documenting things like your first client contract or invoice, any business advertising you launch, when you officially open for business (like launching your website with services available), or even correspondence showing you're actively seeking clients. For your situation, having a signed contract or invoice dated in March 2025 would be perfect evidence that's when you became "actively conducting business." The IRS generally looks for evidence that you were open and available to serve customers, not just preparing to do so. Also keep all your receipts and records of those 2024 expenses organized by category - the tools others mentioned here like taxr.ai could probably help you organize everything properly. The key is being able to show a clear distinction between your preparation phase (2024) and your operational phase (starting March 2025). One tip I learned from my accountant: take screenshots or save copies of any business listings, website launches, or social media posts that show when you officially started accepting clients. These can serve as additional timeline evidence if needed.

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CyberSiren

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This has been such a valuable discussion for anyone dealing with startup cost timing! As someone who just went through this process with my freelance marketing business, I wanted to add a few practical tips that might help others. First, definitely keep a detailed spreadsheet of all your pre-launch expenses with dates and categories. When I finally filed my return, having everything organized made the process so much smoother. Second, consider setting up a separate business bank account even before you're officially "active" - it makes tracking these startup expenses much cleaner come tax time. One thing I learned the hard way is that some expenses you might think are startup costs actually aren't. For example, I initially categorized my business license fees as startup costs, but my CPA explained that these are actually organizational costs, which have their own separate $5,000 deduction limit. So you could potentially get up to $5,000 in startup cost deductions AND $5,000 in organizational cost deductions in your first year. The tools mentioned here (taxr.ai and Claimyr) sound really helpful - I wish I'd known about them when I was figuring this out! I ended up paying my CPA extra just to sort through what qualified as what type of expense. For @Ravi Sharma and others in similar situations, the peace of mind of getting it right is definitely worth the effort to research or get professional guidance. Startup cost rules are tricky, but they can provide significant tax benefits when handled correctly!

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Keisha Brown

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This is exactly the kind of breakdown I needed! The distinction between startup costs and organizational costs is something I hadn't considered - I definitely have some business license and incorporation fees that I was lumping together with my equipment purchases. Having two separate $5,000 deduction limits could make a real difference for my situation. The separate business bank account tip is gold too. I've been mixing some of these pre-launch expenses with my personal account and it's going to be a nightmare to sort through come tax time. Setting that up now before I officially launch in February makes total sense. @CyberSiren, when you mentioned your CPA had to sort through what qualified as which type of expense, were there any particular costs that were surprisingly NOT startup expenses? I'm trying to avoid any gotchas when I finally file my 2025 return.

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